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[atlarge-discuss] Re: A very different split?? (Re: [Canwereplaceicann] On the RIRs)
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- Subject: [atlarge-discuss] Re: A very different split?? (Re: [Canwereplaceicann] On the RIRs)
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- Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 18:22:55 -0700
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Jamie, Marc and all,
James Love wrote:
> I agree with Marc, that it would be nice if an organization created to
> protect end users was actually accountable to end users. Karl raised what I
> think is an important point, the whole thing is funded by the
> providers....in part because funding is volentary. How do you address
> this issue? Jamie
I as well as most of our members agree in part with marc as well, that
working within ICANN, which is made exceedingly difficult anyway
is not all that productive. We also believe that on a number of
issues trying to work with ICANN is both a good idea and
unfortunately necessary still... IP addresses, DNS issues
and standardization of protocols are some of those areas
where trying to work within ICANN are seemingly necessary
unless or until a replacement ( Rebid of contracts) can be
We [INEGRoup] also strongly agree with Karls efforts, especially
on the legal front. The funding concerns with ICANN are substantial
and also key to solving the central issues in ICANN itself.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marc Schneiders" <email@example.com>
> To: "Karl Auerbach" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> Cc: "Can we replace ICANN" <email@example.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 6:26 PM
> Subject: A very different split?? (Re: [Canwereplaceicann] On the RIRs)
> : On Sat, 18 May 2002, at 17:50 [=GMT-0700], Karl Auerbach wrote:
> : > Organizations tend to expand their roles. The remedy is often to create
> : > distinct entities to handle each job.
> : [...]
> : > In the case of ICANN, all these jobs should never have been lumped in
> : > first place, so separation is simply a return to rationality.
> : [...]
> : > There are certain political factors at work here - in the address space
> : > side of ICANN, the regional address registries (RIRs - ARIN, RIPE, APNIC
> : > and perhaps a couple of new ones) are looking to be invisible by hiding
> : > behind an umbrella organization. ICANN serves that purpose very well,
> : > particularly since that umbrella is mainly recognized only in DNS
> : > contexts, thus providing additinal camaflage to the RIRs. For this
> : > invisibility the RIRs pay a heafty tithe to ICANN.
> : >
> : > The RIRs have no particular ties to ICANN; they are pretty much left
> : > alone. To get their support for a reorganization plan, that plan
> : > would have to give them at least as good a closet to hide in.
> : >
> : > Unfortunately a plan to split ICANN on functional grounds would remove
> : > some of their cloak of invisibility. I think that the public would be
> : > served by removal of that cloak. But the RIRs may oppose such a plan
> : > because of this.
> : Since both ICANN and the RIRs are more and more on the side of the
> : suppliers only, would it not be time to reflect upon the idea of an
> : organization of those on the other side: consumers, domain name holders,
> : yes, users?
> : An organization _separate_ from ICANN, willing to cooperate, willing to
> : hold elections for the 9 AtLarge Board seats, willing also to go different
> : ways, e.g. in the field of new TLDs, if ICANN really stops listening to
> : 99% of the users of the Internet and merely takes care of the interests of
> : a particular group of stakeholders, vid. registries and registrars, and
> : the IP industry?
> : I think that we waste our time _inside_ ICANN right now.
> : --
> : Marc@Schneiders.ORG
> : http://www.bijt.net/
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