Re: [atlarge-discuss] Comments Invited on Election Details

["Richard Henderson" <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>]

I agree with you on this Jamie

I think the sooner an election is held, the sooner a more permanent panel
can get on with all the rest of the details, AND have longer to put them
into force. It would be ironical if we extended our 90-day mandate, made
decisions on things like Mission Statement and Name, only to have those
decisions overturned by the next panel.

The bottom-line is that we were given a 90 day mandate, and if the only
thing we achieve is the election of a more permanent panel, then so be it.
The important thing is not the Interim Panel but the more permanent Panel
and the development of Outreach that should follow quickly after they've
been elected.

I expect we can achieve more than just an election anyway, but we should not
change the contract with our members (ie our mandate) unless there are
exceptional circumstances, and then, only if there is a clear majority vote
on it.

I advocate immediate deliberations on the election format, with a view to
holding the election by July 27th. Failing that, I request the panel decides
whether they want a members vote on an extension. I would find such a vote a
somewhat tedious extra administration, which would only delay further what
really needs doing.

We don't have to write "War and Peace" or the Bible before setting up
elections. We just need rules and process for an election.

The real issue is building up membership so that our claims to represent the
internet public have greater credibility.

Richard

----- Original Message -----
From: James Love <james.love@cptech.org>
To: Joanna Lane <jo-uk@rcn.com>; Richard Henderson
<richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>; <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Cc: <atlarge-panel@lists.fitug.de>
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Comments Invited on Election Details


> I don't see any compelling reason to put off the election.  A more
permanent
> panel will have an easier time doing some of the items that take more
time.
> Plus, the incumbent members can be judged by their contributions so far.
>
> jamie
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joanna Lane" <jo-uk@rcn.com>
> To: "Richard Henderson" <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>;
> <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> Cc: <atlarge-panel@lists.fitug.de>
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 11:06 PM
> Subject: RE: [atlarge-discuss] Comments Invited on Election Details
>
>
> : For all practical reasons the Panel may wish to send a note via the
Icann
> At
> : Large announce list to all 800+ members, soliciting for a 90 day panel
> : extension, on the understanding that all duly assigned tasks will be
> : completed as early as possible within that extension period and
certainly
> no
> : later than 90 days beyond the current date. If less than a majority
> respond
> : negatively, the Panel could then reasonably assume they have the
necessary
> : mandate to continue, rather than be forced to rush something through
under
> : the gun. Of course we all wish things were progressing rapidly and in a
> more
> : advanced stage, but since they are not, a remedy needs to be agreed as
> soon
> : as possible.
> :
> : Regards,
> : Joann
> :
> :
> : > -----Original Message-----
> : > From: Richard Henderson [mailto:richardhenderson@ntlworld.com]
> : > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 7:15 AM
> : > To: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> : > Cc: atlarge-panel@lists.fitug.de
> : > Subject: [atlarge-discuss] Comments Invited on Election Details
> : >
> : >
> : > Help
> : > Election issues - Questions
> : >
> : > I invite each panel member PLUS all other interested members to reply
> : > to this agenda, with comments on the issues I have raised:
> : >
> : > 1. date of election
> : >
> : > + July 23rd-27th
> : > + ask membership for extension of mandate and then when?
> : >
> : > YOUR COMMENTS:
> : >
> : > 2. Technical administration of election
> : >
> : > + suggestions for which system to use
> : > + security issues
> : >
> : > YOUR COMMENTS:
> : >
> : > 3. Verification
> : >
> : > + who to act as monitors?
> : >
> : > YOUR COMMENTS:
> : >
> : > 4. Procedure for nomination
> : >
> : > + can people self-nominate?
> : >
> : > YOUR COMMENTS:
> : >
> : > 5. Period of Statements and Questions
> : >
> : > + all candidates to submit statements
> : > + all candidates requested to answer questions posed by membership?
> : > (so that electors can compare answers)
> : > + how long should be allowed for this stage of the election process?
> : >
> : > YOUR COMMENTS:
> : >
> : > 6.  Election format
> : >
> : > + global vote for all candidates, with no regional element?
> : > + global vote plus regional vote?
> : > + just regional votes?
> : > + number of representatives to be elected?
> : > + number of votes for each member (one or more?)
> : > + how long should be allowed for voting?
> : >
> : > YOUR COMMENTS:
> : >
> : > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> : >
> : > Other matters for definition:
> : > Define mandate and role of those to be elected.
> : > Define length of office before further elections must be held.
> : > Discussion on Mission Statement (with final definition left til
> : > after election?)
> : > Definition of Bylaws necessary to accompany election
> : > (with other bylaws left until after the election if necessary)
> : >
> : > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> : >
> : > There are other issues upon which the election is not dependent,
> : > particularly the issues of Outreach and Regional organisation,
> : > which can be evolved in the coming weeks to an extent,
> : > but which await further development after the election.
> : >
> : > What has become apparent is that this 3 month mandate for the
> : > Interim Panel
> : > is really only enough to establish the basics, and what is now needed
> : > is an election for a term of ONE YEAR, which is sufficient time
> : > for elected representatives to really get to grips with the
> : > growth and development
> : > of this organisation. I suggest that this more permanent elected body
> : > should really be responsible for the formal definition of Mission
> : > Statement,
> : > Name etc, because our Interim Panel is so transient.
> : >
> : > Basically, I believe our panel should "get out of the way" as
> : > soon as possible,
> : > so that we can make way for a more permanent elected body.
> : >
> : > Certain problems about timing of election may be raised, such as
> : > the Summer
> : > Vacation period, and the effect that might have on voting.
> : >
> : > I personally do not feel happy about extending the mandate of the
> : > Interim Panel,
> : > partly because we should stick to our terms of election, and
> : > partly because
> : > I feel we need to get the interim phase behind us as soon as possible.
> : >
> : > However, if the majority of the panel DID argue for an extension
> : > of time before
> : > the next elections, then at the very least, I would expect a mail
> : > to be sent
> : > to every single member with a request for consent for such action.
> : >
> : > I invite each panel member PLUS all other interested members to
> : > reply to this
> : > agenda, by filling in comments above (where set out) and replying
> : > to the list.
> : >
> : > I believe it is important we proceed. I believe it is urgent for
> : > us to agree on some
> : > dates now, because otherwise our 90 day mandate will just run out
> : > and I don't
> : > think that would be acceptable.
> : >
> : > Kind regards
> : >
> : > Richard Henderson
> : >
> :
> :
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