Re: [atlarge-discuss] One small step...

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Bruce and all stakeholders of interested parties,

Bruce Young wrote:

> Vittorio Bertola wrote:
>
> >Only, I'd like to have a discussion on real and substantial matters,
> >rather than on generic accusations of corruption.
>
> As would most of us, I think.
>
> >I think that everyone is free to accuse any other of anything, but
> >should always make names and refer to precise facts.
>
> I agree.  It's part of the "openness" thing everyone seems to demand, and
> rightly so.
>
> I would also like everyone to consider that we've spent so much time being
> given the runaround by two-faced people on the ICANN board and staff, that
> all of us are automatically looking for the same amongst ourselves!

  Very good point here Bruce!  It does far too often seem that this is
the case.  And sometimes there is justification, but mot times there
is not.

> It's
> understandable, but we need to treat each other better.  Here are some ideas
> I think would help in that regard:
>
>         -  Let's all try and avoid assuming evil intent based on minimal facts, and
> give each other the benefit of the doubt.  Condem actions, not people.

  I agree that condemning actions is better.  But we also not let
potential actions go unchecked either if they are obviously
intent of harm or have a potential for doing harm...  In other
words, as our president has ask all of us, americans and
non-americans alike, be vigilant!

>
>
>         -  Let's keep our processes open and document as much of it as we can on
> our two e-mail forums and the Web site.

  Indeed this should be done and also should be an automatic!

>
>
>         -  Let's not forget that, for many of our members, English is a second
> language (or third, or fourth, etc.!), so we shouldn't automatically assume
> that a poorly-phrased statement is anything more than that.  And ask
> politely for clarification!  If it turns out your interpretation was right
> after all, you can go into (polite!) attack mode then!

  Yes, if the party making such poorly phrased statements/comments
will comply and rephrase or state in a different fashion, than agreed
completely!  I think that forgetting whom made an statement/comment
or otherwise argument for a particular idea, is not possible to
not address when posting or proposing a retort or response..
Polite is always best, but sometimes not sufficient...

>
>
>         -  Finally, let's allow our fellow members the right to have a different
> opinion, and give them the opportunity to defend it!  If we're truely
> building a global community, we have to expect wildly differing ideas.  We
> should respect all of them, temper them through the furnace of debate, come
> to a concensus that the majority can agree on, and support the resulting
> policy even if it isn't exactly how *we* wanted it.

  Very good point here!

>
>
> If we can do these things well, no one will have any doubts about how our
> policies were developed, or question the process used to develop them,
> because it will be out there for everyone to look at that wants to.

  Indeed!

>
>
> Bruce Young
> Portland, Oregon
> Bruce@barelyadequate.info
> http://www.barelyadequate.info
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vittorio Bertola [mailto:vb@vitaminic.net]
> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 10:24 AM
> To: Jeff Williams
> Cc: discuss
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] One small step...
>
> On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 19:12:53 -0700, you wrote:
>
> >Vittorio and all stakeholders of interested parties,
> >
> >  I don't know if you are and "ICANN Protégés" or not.  I don't
> >think that Sotiris was intimating such.  So your response Vittorio
> >makes you look somewhat guilty or at least displaying a guilt
> >complex...
>
> Well, I was referring to some similar things Sotiris told me during an IRC
> session on Thursday morning during Bucharest, and I was just trying to
> understand whether he is now including me in the list or not. However, never
> mind. Only, I'd like to have a discussion on real and substantial matters,
> rather than on generic accusations of corruption. I think that everyone is
> free to accuse any other of anything, but should always make names and refer
> to precise facts.
> --
> .oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo vb.
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