Re: [atlarge-discuss] Point of personal privilege -- I'm beingdisenfranchised by glitches in the system!

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Isumi and all stakeholders of other interested parties,

Izumi AIZU wrote:

> It was such a long time ago ;-) that I do not remember exactly, but I am sure
> ICANN staff under Andrew and Joe's direction made sure that no record
> were kept for
>
> a) the "membership" was for one-time, election only in their legal definition,
> otherwise the California corporate law could allow any member to bring
> derivative action against the corporation. That was also used as a basis
> in favor of indirect election.

  The information was once available as a member of ICANNMEMBERS.ORG
and on that Web site.  That information has sense been removed as well
as all links to supporting information.  The Membership WAS NOT
a one time situation nor was it intended to be as I kept copies of those
links and Web Pages and no reference to "One Time" were included.

  But I must agree that this information has likely been destroyed
much like the Archives of Verisigns/NSI's Domain-Policy
mailing list...

>
>
> b) for some "privacy" concern, all the voting records were simply
> made without any reference to his/her personal profile ie nationality
> etc, that Carter center could only inspect limited breakdowns of
> information.

  Yes.  And the Carter foundation complained bitterly and rightly
regarding this as well at the time....

>
>
> And thus I think they did "physically" destroyed the data.

  I think you are most likely correct here...

>
>
> Well, yes they kept the mailing list used for ALSC study, and I hope that
> is still kept, but not the original AL election membership list, since
> they solicited the participation to the new list.

  Not all of the ALSC ML archives still exists as some creative
editing was done during certain times and recorded as such...

>
>
> Well, I am not sure if I remember these all correctly, though.
> Denise or Esther may know better.

  Denise and Esther's word on this is not and should not be
trusted for many recent and past incidents that are also well
documented by a host of different ALSC participants.

>
>
> Thanks,
>
> izumi
>
> At 02:16 02/08/05 +0200, Alexander Svensson wrote:
>
> >At 04.08.2002 18:44, James Love wrote:
> > >Izumi AIZU wrote:
> > >
> > >>I was quite annoyed when the ICANN staff "destroyed" all the record
> > >>of the first election right after they confirmed the result. It did ignore so
> > >>many people's good intentions, and resulted in a waste of resources.
> > >>That led the debate about the cost of running another election, and
> > >>the fee issues since the first round was free of charge which I advocated
> > >>very strongly.
> > >
> > >   Izumi     I didn't know/remember this.  Who authorized the
> > destruction of the membership records?
> >
> >I don't think they were physically destroyed, but not using and
> >updating them amounts to something similar since e-mail addresses
> >change so rapidly that many e-mail accounts are inactive after
> >a short period of time. Which reminds of the fact that ICANNatlarge.com
> >needs some mechanism for checking/updating its membership records
> >as well.
> >
> >Best regards,
> >/// Alexander
> >
> >
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