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[atlarge-discuss] as WE wish (wa : As the Chair wishes...)
Dear Satyajit,
we all are learning how to develop the @large. It is actually a key task
for the Internet. I would even say it is to develop the real Internet. With
all the countries, all the cultures, all the different styles, all the
interests. This will continue (if the IETF iDN task force plays well) with
the natural languages being supported by the DNS, etc..
It is true that Joanna is learning too. And we learn how to work together
and how to support her. And from her: did you ever chaired @large effort? I
did not. She took the job, I did not. Off hats!
I am certainly upset too at some actions of her. And I too do not hesitate
to tell her. Since you made your protest public, I am making mine too so
you see you are not alone and the members that we do not hide anything, but
also that there is not a split in the Panel. This is transparency and that
effort is to be a plus for us all. It takes times, sorry but we only are human.
I have proposed many things and I am disregarded too.
The whole process is disappointing? True.
We could move much faster? True.
We could be far better organized and efficient? True.
The panel members do not even understand the obvious? True.
But just a minute ... we are ones of them. Each of us. We are not building
a brilliant system for the world to see (at least right now). We are
building "us".
And that IS what exciting and great. Because at the end of the day "we" are
the network. And once we are established, we will manage it together. A
network is just that: to be together. We will run the root if we want, we
will develop standards. We will relate with ISPs, etc.. no just us, but all
of us, all those we will join where they are - not them joining us. This is
slow, this is frustrating, this is a lot of things, but I do think that at
the end of the day - as Joey would say - it is illuminating and great.
Now, Satyajit, you have solutions in some areas. I have others in other
areas. Joanna has in some areas of her. etc. It will certainly take time
before every of us understand the obvious from the others. Before we tune
our propositions so they fit others' expectations. But each time we do
that, we build something strong and stable. And we can be proud of it.
I must be candid, Joanna did upset me many times in the past and now. And I
certainly upset her more often. The, I learned her stamina during the BoD
campaign. I heard what she said in Montevideo.
Joop was a good friend at times and at other times he insulted me. I fought
his icannatlagre.com control. But I do think he is right over the mailing
list right now and the panel wrong. And I do trust him. Brothers at arms is
what we build.
I campaigned against Danny when he was a very poor Chair for the GA (the
Chair is always very poor) and I believe Danny is just a great future Chair
for the SME Constituency.
Did I not upset you with my first mail to you?
Judith is certainly upsetting me at wanting to confuse a Wiki with
everything which is not a wiki, and I certainly upset her at telling her
that a wiki is a blackboard where everyone contributes, not a mail, not an
ICQ, not a web page, etc. And sometime I will eventually understand what
she wants to say .....
YJ Park is a person I do respect a lot for all what she accomplished at the
NC, at the Minc, at NCDNHC. I support her a lot of the coming event in
Montreux ... but I certainly object to her push for conference calls. Every
one knows that I will always exclude myself from such exercises. And then ?
This is the way we build.
Look at Eric, Joey, Erik, Judyth, etc. etc.. AMon us you have a very
important role as every of us. You represent, with Vivek, a great culture,
a large country while at the same time you cannot afford a costly access.
So you represent the interests of people we want to defend too, but of who
you live the problems. Only you can tell us about the outreach there. You
want to deal with Incorporation and Funding. No one in our group can better
defend the interest of our largest @large potential community: those who
are not yet Internet enlighten users, as Eric wants to represent the
"dotcommers".
We build. We build together.
IETF has an expression: "rough consensus". In a slightly different meaning,
this is rough consensus i here, sometimes swell, sometimes rough. And this
is GOOD ! This is real democracy. Democracy is not that much votes and
transparency; it is the voice of the people.
You expressed your voice, I expressed mine. So many others did and I hope
will. Now, using you "nay" let try to help ourselves into what we urgently
need: a working motion system where we can propose motions.
Is that OK with us?
jfc
On 19:54 05/09/02, Satyajit Gupta said:
Dear Joanna,
I was not well and I informed you of the same BUT I did NOT offer to
step down as Co-ordinator of the WG on Incorporation & Funding. On the
contrary, I said I did NOT wish to be replaced when you unilaterally
offered to replace me.
Simultaneously, I requested you for more information on the
Incorporation and Funding work already going on which you have not yet
bothered to answer by replying to my email. This is why I am forced to
use the publicly archived mailing list and AGAIN request you to keep me
informed.
I am only too happy to reply to you publicly if it means that you do not
get to blatantly distort my words. I shall continue to publicly demand
the necessary information which neither you nor anyone else has the right
to withhold!
As for personal attacks on me, I do not even wish to acknowledge them
and thus get into petty slanging matches which seem to be their forte...
I am very disappointed that the democratic, open and transparent forum
that we foresaw in the past has failed to materialize.
Remember, an enlightened despot is STILL a despot!
Regards,
Satyajit.
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