Re: [atlarge-discuss] Democratic process (was Re: [atlarge-discuss]encouragement)

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Richard and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,

  Here here Richard!  I whole heatedly agree!

  The problem Joanna is having is Joanna's and Joanna's alone.
She has stated that she fears a suit from ICANN.  That fear was
than, and is now, unwarranted.  A Panel Chair should, and I believe
must, be able to stand up tall in the face of adversity, even though in this
instance, there was little or no adversity to stand tall to.  I fail to
see how or why such a tiny scare such as Joanna is concerned with
unduly should impact the membership or any ongoing vote what so
ever.  Let them sue!  ICANN won't of course... And any sharp leader
would have known that instinctually...  As we used to say in the
USMC, no guts, no glory...  Meaning that if you can't or won't
swallow your fear, than you will be a mouse...  Do we have a
mouse in the house?  I hope not...

Richard Henderson wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joanna Lane <jo-uk@rcn.com>
>
> > However, in this case, the Panel did not give the Watchdogs any
> > formal response to approve or disapprove their recommended course of
> action,
> > which is why we now have some confusion as to what is happening.
>
> There is NO confusion over what is happening.
>
> The panel has not mandated any change to the timing of anything, and
> therefore the timing remains the same. Any alterations to votes AFTER the
> stipulated deadline are invalid.
>
> There is no confusion over the vote and its democratic outcome, because the
> vote has been called and as a democratic organisation we respect the result.
>
> I personally hope it is NOT Icannatlarge.org/com because I do not want to be
> tainted by the name of a corrupt organisation. Nevertheless, it is the will
> of the majority which must and will prevail.
>
> The suggestion of extending the deadline was roundly criticised both by
> members and panelists, and was a non-starter (because you could not get a
> panel majority to agree to the extension). The Watchdogs were not mandated
> or empowered to change the timescale of the election and therefore their
> suggestion was only that - a suggestion. A suggestion which was not
> implemented.
>
> I do not think "we now have some confusion as to what is happening".
>
> Let's be absolutely transparent and clear about this. The ballot consists of
> those votes which were correctly submitted within the agreed timeframe.
>
> You couldn't have a situation in Florida where the Presidential election was
> extended for a few days to enable people to think again and change their
> minds (in order to manipulate a different outcome). No more can we have a
> ballot and then ask people to think again and change their minds.
>
> Its a preposterous manipulation of a voting procedure. Even raising a new
> agenda (the "we'll be sued" agenda) in the middle of a vote is an unwelcome
> interference with the process. So I hope and trust there is no confusion
> whatsoever, and this has all been a storm in a teacup, and that the
> Watchdogs can confirm transparently that the deadline was NOT extended and
> no late votes or alterations were accepted.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Richard Henderson
>
> There is no confusion as to what is happening, unless someone has corrupted
> the process.
>
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