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[atlarge-discuss] RE: [atlarge-panel] WG-WEB: responses to Jamie
Richard, all discussions about ICANNATLARGE.ORG are academic until we ask
ICANN whether we have permission to use their trademarked name in ours.
That said,
I move that this panel formally approach ICANN in writing and request
permission to use the name.
Bruce Young
Portland, Oregon USA
bruce@barelyadequate.info
http://www.barelyadequate.info
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Go to http://www.icannatlarge.com and Join ICANN At Large!
| -----Original Message-----
| From: Richard Henderson [mailto:richardhenderson@ntlworld.com]
| Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 5:10 AM
| To: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin
| Cc: atlarge-panel@lists.fitug.de; atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
| Subject: Re: [atlarge-panel] WG-WEB: responses to Jamie
|
|
| Jefsey,
|
| To tell you the truth, I am very unhappy with the decision to
| use icannatlarge.org
|
| I think it is contentious, unhelpful and a bad choice.
|
| I would fully support you if you chose to withdraw it. I feel we
| need a name like atlarge.org which can then be used with 100's
| of appropriate subdomains, and the devolution of webmaster
| responsibilities to a multiplicity of participants
|
| canada.atlarge.org
| outreach.atlarge.org
| fiji.atlarge.org
| lotsof other things.atlarge.org
|
| There IS an issue of democratic will, of course, but I believe
| that most voters actively voted NOT to have the Icann name -
| they wanted anything other than the ICANN name, but their vote
| was split, whereas the pro-icann vote was focussed on a single name
|
| Besides, the name is not resolving, which is no use. And you
| (the owner/registrant of the name) advised against its use
| anyway, so why not withdraw the name and vote "Do we want the
| name ICANN in our name - YES or NO?"
|
| I believe the democratic will is in favour of jettisoning the name ICANN
|
| Richard
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin
| To: atlarge-panel@lists.fitug.de
| Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 3:13 PM
| Subject: [atlarge-panel] WG-WEB: responses to Jamie
|
|
| On 12:05 02/10/02, James Love said:
| Jefsey,
| > 1. I don't think we want a web page run by hundreds of
| people. On the contrary, I think we want the web page to be
| managed by a few people who can keep it current, and make sure
| it serves to enhance the transparency of the group.
|
| This is something to be decided by the panel upon proposition
| of the WG-WEB, and possibly to the membership to decide. Right
| now I am quite hesitant to give Sotiris full powers. I frankly
| see no real difference between Joop and Sotiris at the present
| stage. I will set-up my mind when :
|
| 1. I get the site IP address - the question risen by Sotiris
| means that he does not understand how it works (what I doubt) or
| he wants a control equivalent to Joop, I am not prepared to grant him.
|
| 2. I see a draft site to understand what he plans. There was
| plenty of time for him to present a draft site on
| worldatlarge.org. My approach would be to have him set up
| worldatlarge.org as the future icannatlarge.org site so we can
| use both addresses and evaluate the way he sets a site up and
| the time he can dedicate to it.
|
| From your remarks, I understand that you never shared in a
| cooperative site or an e-zine. What you want is the way it
| works, but hundreds of people can cooperate. This is the only
| way to make some real outreach: to imply people. We will no
| reinvent the wheel.
|
| We start with 190 authors wanted, one per contry. Plus
| probably 20 others, one per main topic, plus back-up and
| alternative views. I do not know if you looked at who is listed
| on our member list? Many are far more competent than me.
|
| > 2. We will have to make some policies on control of the
| site, and who has posting privledges. My own prefence is to
| have non-panel members maintain the content, so there are fewer
| transition issues in elections.
|
| Right. There should be tow or three people. IMHO a guy like
| NameCritic is a very good co-manager for such a task. There is
| areal difference between a one person's site (blog) and an
| e-zine. The first thing is to see how NameCritic and Satiris and
| Vittorio can make it together. Producing together is far more a
| challenge than talking/debating together.
|
| > 3. What is the deal over icannatlarge.org? Who controls
| this, and what will we have to do to get control of it?
|
| Ok. Let forget about that: I explained it 100 times. It seems
| that no one will ever want to read what I explain. So let me try
| to care about it. Just remember that none of you wanted to hear
| what I said and most went though that vote because our two Lady
| J hoped internetatlarge.org would win. This is over. Let me try
| to sort the mess. This is a task for the WG-DNS: it will be
| reported when sorted.
|
| The priority is to have WG-WEB to address the draft site
| issue, get public comments, organize a webmastering system which
| will not be worse than Joop's (anyone taking over as a webmaster
| will be confronted to the dilemn: either to be a tyrant to keep
| some order and personal time control or a dedicated professional
| with some real personal/financial motivations).
|
| jfc
|
|
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