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[atlarge-discuss] Re: Attn. Marc Schnieders to: [atlarge-discuss] Status of Domain Names ICANNATLARGE.ORG and ATLARGE.ORG
Bruce and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,
Yes Marc has heard for us several times now. No public response
thus far however. ATLARGE.ORG is as you indicate, registered
by Marc as well. This is why we need our own DN! I have offered
ICANN-INT-ATLARGE.ORG as one possibility. Sotiris has
offered WORLDATLARGE.ORG also. I assume that his offer is
still good.
Bruce Young wrote:
> A general observation about this issue:
>
> I know it could just be NSI's usual customer abuse policies(as oppsed to
> customer service!) at work here. However, considering their cozy
> relationship with the ICANN board, I can't discount the possibility that NSI
> intentionally played games with the ICANNATLARGE.ORG and ATLARGE.ORG domain
> names, in an attempt to disrupt our processes. If Marc Schneiders has
> "rescued" the names by registering them with the intention of ceding them to
> us, then he is the hero of the hour! However, I don't believe we have heard
> from Mark on the issue yet, have we? Mark, if you are reading this, please
> let us know your intent regarding these two names, which were #1 and #2
> respectively, coming out of the elections.
>
> But whichever way this turns out, we have an agreed-upon selection process
> in place and we should follow it:
>
> - If Marc grants us clear title to ICANNATLARGE.ORG, we should
> *immediately* implement changeover to that name. Jefsey and Sotiris
> obviously have a good handle on the process to effect that, so we should
> turn them loose on the task!
>
> - If we *don't* get clear title, we should first *quickly* reexamine the
> remaining choices on the ballot and assure they are valid. Then, as I
> believe Walter reminded us, the election process we used has a contingency
> built in if a choice is invalidated, which doesn't require a time-consuming
> revote. All we need to do is throw out the disqualified name and recompute
> the vote talley. However, I would prefer, for independence' sake, that
> Walter address this in detail: now that I am on the panel it would not be
> appropriate for me to influence the outcome through discussion of this
> issue.
>
> Regardless, lets move forward! If we let ICANN and their paymasters in NSI
> disrupt our processes, they win! And I refuse to give them the
> satisfaction!
>
> Bruce Young
> Portland, Oregon USA
> bruce@barelyadequate.info
> http://www.barelyadequate.info
> --------------------------------------------
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>
> | -----Original Message-----
> | From: Richard Henderson [mailto:richardhenderson@ntlworld.com]
> | Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 6:41 AM
> | To: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de; J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin
> | Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [atlarge-panel] MOTION PROPOSAL: was
> | WG-WEB: responses to Jamie
> |
> |
> | This is absolutely correct. Jefsey warned everyone in advance.
> | The name was
> | effectively taken from Jefsey, not by Marc, but by NSI. Their
> | systems are,
> | in my opinion, a disgrace and so many people have reported year
> | in year out
> | how difficult they find it to communicate with them. There should be far
> | easier processes through which Jefsey would have been able to
> | safeguard the
> | name which he has lost. As he says, if this name had had commercial value
> | for him, he might well have felt inclined to sue.
> |
> | Marc Schneiders has managed to get the name with a "clean sheet" which -
> | should he desire to share it with us - will make configuration
> | much easier,
> | and access should be easy right from the outset.
> |
> | It remains to be seen what Marc wants to do, but the whole system of
> | registries and registrars with awkward customer liaison and answerphones
> | that never put you through or keep you waiting for ages is disreputable.
> | ICANN has presided over a system which is biased far too
> | strongly in favour
> | of the supplier, and mitigates against the interests of the consumer.
> |
> | The issue of expiring names remains an industry "set up".
> |
> | Icannatlarge.org was lost, even though its registrant wanted it,
> | and it is
> | only by possible good fortune that a person in sympathy with our general
> | aims has managed to rescue it. If Marc Schneiders DOES come to
> | our aid, he
> | will be deserve immense gratitude for having the initiative to help this
> | organisation.
> |
> | Richard
> |
> | ----- Original Message -----
> | From: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin <jefsey@club-internet.fr>
> | To: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> | Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 3:18 PM
> | Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [atlarge-panel] MOTION PROPOSAL: was
> | WG-WEB: responses to Jamie
> |
> |
> | > On 03:00 06/10/02, Jeff Williams said:
> | > >Jefsey and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,
> | > >
> | > >Understood here Jefsey. One small detail is not jiving now. That
> | > >is that it seems that just today ICANNATLARGE.ORG was
> | > >transferred to Marc Schnieder.
> | >
> | > Was not transfered. Was taken. Marc is the only sensible
> | person in here.
> | He
> | > did what I tried and asked you guy to do: to register the name
> | either to
> | > get it transfered or to get it directly. May be did he got
> | already when I
> | > tried and it was the reason why I got an error message - was under
> | process.
> | >
> | > >In addition you should have long
> | > >ago abandon the alias to the .COM version of the DN.
> | >
> | > I am afraid I do not understand what you mean here. Joop registered the
> | > .com to avoid that we use .org. This was all planed a long ago and you
> | know
> | > well with who :-) Old IDNO days.
> | >
> | > The he never permitted to alias icannatlarge.org to icannatlarge.com.
> | > As he does not permit icann-at[-]large.xxx to alias to icannatlarge.com
> | ...
> | > what I will do when I have time for that.
> | >
> | > >Also you should have gotten a different host or Name servers or
> | > >changed the config of the existing ones.
> | >
> | > Obviously then you did not understand my mail. I plainly
> | explained why I
> | > could not because of NSI denial. Actually would it be a
> | commercial name I
> | > would now sue NSI.
> | >
> | > >Marc has also now locked ICANNATLARGE.ORG sense it was transfered.
> | >
> | > I am very confident that Marc will manage it correctly.
> | >
> | > JFC
> | >
> | >
> | > >J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin wrote:
> | > >
> | > > > Dear Jeff,
> | > > > what you do not understand is that because
> | icannatlarge.org has been
> | put on
> | > > > hold it does not resolve anymore and the current
> | confirguation which
> | is
> | > > > inadequate but which worked cannot be mended.
> | > > >
> | > > > The nameserver associated to icannatlarge.org are ns1.codelocal.com
> | and
> | > > > ns1.pcode.com. These namesevers are NOT in operations for
> | months now,
> | but
> | > > > names still are under my control. So they have been
> | allocated the same
> | IP
> | > > > addresses as the name servers in use (which are
> | authoritative). Until
> | end
> | > > > of Septembre it worked. I still tried access when Joop
> | complained it
> | was
> | > > > resolving to the wiki (because Joop never supported
> | icannatalrge.org
> | as an
> | > > > alias to .com).
> | > > >
> | > > > This was the only thing I could do as long as NSI does not want to
> | respond
> | > > > to demands. As I explained many, many, many times
> | icannatlarge.org has
> | been
> | > > > put on a separate user account I have no access to (due to the
> | additions of
> | > > > mistakes when NSI purchased my registrar) and NSI had
> | never returned
> | it yet
> | > > > to my own partner account. I own the name, but have no
> | access to it to
> | > > > update it or even renew it.
> | > > >
> | > > > Since no one wants to help with matter of fact assistance
> | and everyone
> | > > > prefers barking at me, I drop the issue. I also see there is
> | absolutely NO
> | > > > interest in the icannatlarge name per se, since I still have NO
> | response
> | > > > from either present and could-be webmaster to tell me if they are
> | ready to
> | > > > support or to allias icann-at-large.xxx and
> | icann-atlarge.xxx names.
> | And NO
> | > > > position whatsoever from ANY member of the panel nor of the
> | Membership.
> | > > >
> | > > > At this stage the only thing wich could be attempted is to
> | rebuy/transfer
> | > > > the name. I tried yesterday but the system was down (I
> | cannot know if
> | it
> | > > > was the network problem or a default message due to the
> | name being on
> | > > > hold). Why not you to try to buy it? I should then receive
> | a request
> | for
> | > > > approval.
> | > > >
> | > > > The only good news in all that is that NSI did not give a damn to
> | > > > icannatlarge.org until it was to put to vote (against me
> | and against
> | my
> | > > > propsoitions) and we voted we should use it. Good smoke screening.
> | > > >
> | > > > jfc
> | > > >
> | > > > On 08:46 05/10/02, Jeff Williams said:
> | > > >
> | > > > >Chris and all stakeholders or other interested parties
> | and members,
> | > > > >
> | > > > > As has been pointed out time and time again, webalias/tocows,
> | which
> | > > > >owns or is the registrant of record of deleteddomains.com is
> | notoriously
> | > > > >inaccurate. This has been pointed out on the DNSO GA list forum
> | quite
> | > > > > a number of times on that forum.
> | > > > >
> | > > > >swhois.net search yields:
> | > > > >Registrant:
> | > > > > The WebAlias Network
> | > > > > 29 Red Barn Road
> | > > > > Trumbull, CT 06611
> | > > > > US
> | > > > >
> | > > > > Domain Name: DELETEDDOMAINS.COM
> | > > > >
> | > > > > Administrative Contact:
> | > > > > Contact, Admin webmaster@webalias.com
> | > > > > 29 Red Barn Road
> | > > > > Trumbull, CT 06611
> | > > > > US
> | > > > > 203-445-1471
> | > > > >
> | > > > > Technical Contact:
> | > > > > Contact, Technical webmaster@webalias.com
> | > > > > 29 Red Barn Road
> | > > > > Trumbull, CT 06611
> | > > > > US
> | > > > > 203 445 1471
> | > > > >
> | > > > >
> | > > > >
> | > > > > Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
> | > > > > Record last updated on 30-Sep-2002.
> | > > > > Record expires on 21-Feb-2003.
> | > > > > Record Created on 21-Feb-2000.
> | > > > >
> | > > > > Domain servers in listed order:
> | > > > > NS3.DOMAINSERVERS.COM 209.50.253.132
> | > > > > NS4.DOMAINSERVERS.COM 209.50.253.133
> | > > > >
> | > > > >
> | > > > > The Data in the Tucows Registrar WHOIS
> | database is
> | > > > >provided to
> | > > > >you by Tucows
> | > > > > for information purposes only, and may
> | be used to
> | > > > >assist you in
> | > > > >obtaining
> | > > > > information about or related to a domain name's
> | > > > >registration
> | > > > >record.
> | > > > >
> | > > > > Tucows makes this information available "as is,"
> | and
> | > > > >does not
> | > > > >guarantee its
> | > > > > accuracy.
> | > > > >==============
> | > > > >
> | > > > > Take note of the last record entry, and I quote again: "Tucows
> | makes
> | > > > >this
> | > > > >information available "as is," and does not guarantee its
> | accuracy."
> | > > > >
> | > > > > Ergo Chris, this information regarding ICANNATLARGE.ORG being
> | > > > >on hold is inaccurate. Not surprising. So the reference
> | source you
> | are
> | > > > >providing themselves, does not guarantee the accuracy of the
> | > > > >information,
> | > > > >and properly so, as at times, perhaps more often than not, it is
> | > > > >inaccurate.
> | > > > >
> | > > > > So let this be a lesson for you and everyone here on
> | this forum.
> | One
> | > > > >should be careful to read ALL of the information and do ALL of the
> | > > > >checking
> | > > > >before making such judgments of this nature.
> | > > > >
> | > > > > Now, like I said, ICANNATLARGE.ORG is NOT on hold in reality,
> | > > > >it's name servers are not authoritative. Do an NSLOOKUP on them
> | > > > >and the corresponding IP address for each Name server,
> | and you will
> | > > > >or should see that they are not authoritative, and that,
> | as such, are
> | > > > >misconfigured.
> | > > > >
> | > > > >NameCritic wrote:
> | > > > >
> | > > > > > You may need to look at the archives. Go to
> | > > http://www.DeletedDomains.com
> | > > > > > and do a search for any domain name containing the
> | words ICANN for
> | > > on hold
> | > > > > > domain names. IcannAtLarge.org is in the list.
> | > > > > >
> | > > >
> | > > > -Snip old stuff -
> | > >
> | > >Regards,
> | > >
> | > >Jeffrey A. Williams
> | > >Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 127k members/stakeholders strong!)
> | > >CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> | > >Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> | > >E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
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> | > >Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
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