Re: [atlarge-discuss] PASSED: motion on VOTING PROCEDURE (fwd)

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Bruce and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,

Bruce Young wrote:

> Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:
>
> |   I was simply stating my concern that whatever votes
> |  are carried out by the Panel are not done secretly or
> |  anonymously.
>
> You can see every conversation and every vote the panel has ever had at
> http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-panel/
>
> Doesn't get much more open than that!

  Well actually yes it can and should be more open then just archives
of the Panel list.  It should be interactive, not just a closed list.
Closed lists that are discussing or debating issues that impact the
members are a form of censorship.  Hence they should be stamped
out entirely.  Yes, the Panel should be completely open and
above board in their discussions regarding member effected
practices or policies, but still have inter-operational discussions
amongst themselves as panel members.  We must be very careful
here too though, so as not to breed distrust.  That can be difficult.

>
>
> Bruce Young
> Portland, Oregon USA
> bruce@barelyadequate.info
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> |  -----Original Message-----
> |  From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos [mailto:sotiris@hermesnetwork.com]
> |  Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 8:49 AM
> |  To: Norbert Klein
> |  Cc: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> |  Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] PASSED: motion on VOTING PROCEDURE (fwd)
> |
> |
> |  Norbert et al.,
> |
> |  I think you misunderstood my message.  I do not think the entire
> |  membership must
> |  needs vote on every issue.  I was simply stating my concern that
> |  whatever votes
> |  are carried out by the Panel are not done secretly or
> |  anonymously.  The Panel
> |  ought/must vote in a public fashion, such that the membership
> |  may know which
> |  Panel member voted for or against what position.
> |
> |  Sincerely,
> |
> |  Sotiris Sotiropoulos
> |
> |  Norbert Klein wrote:
> |
> |  > > Hans et al.,
> |  > >
> |  > > Am I to understand then that this means the Paenl will vote
> |  in secret and
> |  > > aonymously?  If this is the case, I strenuously object.
> |  > >
> |  > > Sincerely,
> |  > >
> |  > > Sotiris Sotiropoulos
> |  >
> |  > Can you please help me to understand your concern.
> |  >
> |  > What do you mean by "in secret and anonymously" when there is
> |  a transparent
> |  > procedure how votes among the panel members will proceed, and
> |  how they will
> |  > be counted etc.
> |  >
> |  > Or do you object that the Panel has a procedure how the panel
> |  can come to a
> |  > common opinion - proposing that everything should be discussed
> |  and voted by
> |  > the full membership? I cannot think that this could work,
> |  given that we have
> |  > already 1000 members and hopefully more in future.
> |  >
> |  > Then the question would be what will be discussed AND voted by
> |  the Panel,
> |  > and what should be discussed by the full membership.
> |  >
> |  > But maybe I misunderstood what you meant. Please clarify.
> |  >
> |  > Norbert
> |  >
> |  > --
> |  > Norbert Klein
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