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Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: Focused Mission Statement (was: point of order)
Ron and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,
I agree that Joop was characterizing what you said incorrectly, either
out of ignorance or on purpose. I don't know which though...
I believe that Joop would like to convince us all that pigeon holing
us to one strategy is necessary or advantageous. I don't happen
to agree with him on that approach.
I agree that a dual strategy as you suggest is not only possible
but perhaps preferable given the diversity of the positions of
the members of this organization. Hence perhaps using
the DN ATLARGE.ORG would be more appropriate or
could be used in conjunction with ICANNATLARGE.ORG
in pursuing a dual strategy.
Ron Sherwood wrote:
> Good morning, Joop:
>
> I did not suggest that we abandon democracy. Your response using that
> premise has generated a lot of mail, but does not correctly characterize my
> post.
>
> Your recognition that there are two factions within the membership that
> have opposing views on the methodology we should adopt to achieve our goals
> prompted my response. What I suggested was that we do not have to be so
> inflexible that we adopt a single measure that alienates one group of
> members in favor of another.
>
> The goal as I understand it, is at-large participation in management of
> the Internet as a global resource.
>
> Let us assume that the majority of our membership is in favor of our
> organization addressing ICANN and Internet governance from a standpoint of
> massive external consensus, having sufficient weight to demand meaningful
> participation (or by creating a DNS system that bypasses ICANN altogether).
> The creation and management of such a group could prove to be extremely
> difficult, and the time-line to success extremely long.
>
> Now suppose that a smaller group of members is in favor of working from
> within, or at least working with, ICANN to achieve the same goal. What is
> wrong with our organization adopting both modus operandi as a dual strategy?
> The membership can vote democratically to approve either method or both.
> This is not an abandonment of democracy, it is an inclusive solution rather
> than an exclusive one.
>
> Ron Sherwood
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joop Teernstra" <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>
> To: "Ron Sherwood" <sherwood@islands.vi>
> Cc: <espresso@e-scape.net>; <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 8:54 PM
> Subject: Focused Mission Statement (was: point of order)
>
> > At 08:12 a.m. 13/10/2002 -0400, Ron Sherwood wrote:
> >
> > > Your suggestion that we develop two mission statements and then vote
> for
> > >the most popular, has the benefit of democracy but also suffers from the
> > >biggest problem with democracy... alienation of the losing side.
> >
> > Ron,
> >
> > If we abandon democracy, we undermine our raison d'etre.
> > I am not interested to stay with a group with "leaders" that do not want
> to
> > listen to their own members.
> >
> > The members must be polled, reliably and frequently, especially in the
> > beginning.
> > Polling officers should be elected.
> >
> > > Isn't it possible for us to have two (or three) strings to our bow?
> >
> > It is possible, but you have to look at the dispersion of the few
> energies
> > that people with real lives have to give.
> >
> > My preference is for a focused mission, a battering ram that remains aimed
> > at the weakest point of the "Global Internet Governance" fortress: ICANN's
> > obligation to be a membership organization.
> >
> > Here we are, members who signed up to be counted as "ICANN AT Large"
> > members having been corruptly excluded and sidelined by ICANN.
> > I feel that, without going back to our members and *ask* them, it is
> > nothing short of betraying them to now insist on diluting the focus and
> > instead using their names to take on "the whole bad world".
> >
> > May I point again to the beginning that has been made by Cecily Wood,
> > Sotiris, Walter Schmidt and Vittorio trying to find a more focused
> > formulation. http://www.icannatlarge.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7
> >
> > Let me add my own draft:
> >
> >
> > Preamble:
> >
> > This organization (ICANN At Large) has grown from the original commitment
> > of ICANN and its Memorandum of Understanding with the Unites States
> > Government to be a membership organization.
> >
> > Our initial membership has voted to have an internet presence named
> > icannatlarge.org
> > Both our name and our website domain may be changed when they would be no
> > longer relevant.
> >
> > ********
> > Our Mission is to create a legitimate and respectable structure that
> > allows for the democratic consultation and representation of
> > Individual Internet users in global internet governance bodies such as
> ICANN.
> > ********
> >
> > Legitimate means developing process and respectable means undertaking a
> > *big* PR job.
> >
> > Even such a focused mission is in itself already a huge task for people
> > who may not have more than 30-60 minutes a day to devote to such a task.
> >
> > If we succeed in this mission, ICANN, or whichever body that may replace
> it
> > and still has provisions to be a membership org , cannot look past us.
> >
> >
> >
> > --Joop
> >
> >
>
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