Re: [atlarge-discuss] RE: "Everytime ICANN meets, we need to be there holding open public forums..."

["Richard Henderson" <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>]

Excellent mail, Bruce

This is indeed the strategy to employ!

The At Large needs to grow, as an entity separate from ICANN (<<corrupt) and
it needs to continually assert its presence and the right of ordinary users
to be centrally represented in the administration of the DNS.

Richard H

"Let's build www.atlarge.org for all At Large groups in the world. The real
At Large, not the fake At Large of Esther and Denise."

----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Young <bruce@barelyadequate.info>
To: Jim Fleming <JimFleming@ameritech.net>; At-Large Discussion List
<atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>; At Large Panel
<atlarge-panel@lists.fitug.de>
Cc: Elisabeth Porteneuve <Elisabeth.Porteneuve@cetp.ipsl.fr>;
<steinle@smartvia.de>; <andy@ccc.de>; @quasar Internet Solutions, Inc.
<shore@quasar.net>; Joe Baptista <baptista@dot-god.com>; <k@widgital.com>;
<karl@cavebear.com>; Richard J. Sexton <richard@vrx.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 7:54 AM
Subject: [atlarge-discuss] RE: "Everytime ICANN meets, we need to be there
holding open public forums..."


> Jim Fleming wrote
>
> |  They have spent their entire lives gaming the system, they do
> |  not intend to stop now. It is all they know. It defines them.
>
> Indeed.  A very succint and complete explanation of their modus operandi,
> Jim!  But their system can be used agaist them by simply refusing to play
> the game by their rules.
>
> They expected us to be clamoring to get back in, and willing to sell our
> independence to do so, or to give up and disappear when they made it clear
> we were being discarded.  But we did neither.  Instead, we organized
outside
> of their dominion.
>
> Every time they meet, we need to be sitting outside their door drawing
> attention, holding very public meetings of our own to control the At Large
> agenda.  Every time.  And as we grow larger it will be increasingly harder
> for them to disregard the the noise outside their door!
>
> Every challenge we overcome, every member we draw to our cause, and every
> public attention we draw to our organization makes us stronger.  Sooner or
> later that strength will be sufficient enough that it must be recognized
and
> accomodated.  All we need to do is keep the faith, keep our resolve
strong,
> work through our issues and challenges, learn from them, and move forward!
>
> Bruce Young
> Portland, Oregon USA
> bruce@barelyadequate.info
> http://www.barelyadequate.info
> --------------------------------------------
> Support democratic control of the Internet!
> Go to http://www.icannatlarge.org and Join ICANN At Large!
>
>
> |  -----Original Message-----
> |  From: Jim Fleming [mailto:JimFleming@ameritech.net]
> |  Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 6:43 AM
> |  To: JFC (Jefsey) Morfin; Bruce Young; espresso@e-scape.net
> |  Cc: Elisabeth Porteneuve; steinle@smartvia.de; yjpark@myepark.com;
> |  andy@ccc.de; @quasar Internet Solutions, Inc.; Bruce Young;
> |  eric@hi-tek.com; Joanna Lane; Joe Baptista; Joop Teernstra; Judith
> |  Oppenheimer; k@widgital.com; karl@cavebear.com; love@cptech.org;
> |  ray@fassett.org; Richard Henderson; Richard J. Sexton
> |  Subject: Re: "Everytime ICANN meets, we need to be there holding open
> |  public forums..."
> |
> |
> |  ----- Original Message -----
> |  From: <espresso@e-scape.net>
> |
> |  The problem, I think, is that the very thing which makes the
> |  Internet so valuable to the individuals who have discovered this is
> |  what makes it so threatening to those accustomed to top-down
> |  governance with themselves at the top. The very last thing they want is
> |  to be suddenly made equal to the people whom they think of as
> |  being below them in the hierarchy. The best way of avoiding that is to
> |  suppress the voices of the citizenry, either entirely or at
> |  least within the circles where the decisions are made.
> |  ======
> |
> |  "The very last thing they want is to be suddenly made equal..."
> |
> |  ...so, they resort to the tools and techniques they have
> |  developed over the years to make them superior in their circles...
> |
> |  1. Face-to-face and on-the-phone carries tremendous weght.
> |  2. Who-you-know, not what-you-know is the power.
> |  3. Delay and distraction are the legal weapons used off the net,
> |  and are brought to the net.
> |  4. Time investment on the net is discounted by them by ignoring
> |  any on-net results.
> |  5. Clueless non-participants (from Government and Law
> |  Enforcement) are solicited to do their dirty work.
> |  6. They avoid any debates with people who may know more and who
> |  would expose them as frauds.
> |  7. They solicit willing "thugs" who will enforce their false
> |  superiority with suppression, threats, extortion, etc.
> |  8. When measures of successs are needed, they return to
> |  statistics and show that revenue dollars go to them, even though
> |  others were
> |  not allowed to compete.
> |  9. Self-promotion becomes the goal and populating Boards and
> |  non-profit (shams) becomes common place.
> |  10. Non-profit pockets are used for some money and for-profit
> |  for the other money yet favors flow between the pockets.
> |  11. Price-fixing is accomplished by passing the ball from player
> |  to player, around the world, just out of reach of governments
> |  that claim that such activity is not legal there.
> |  12. The (clueless) traditional press, is fed shallow information
> |  that makes for a quick story without a lot of work. The
> |  journalist gets paid, the readers get fed, and everyone is happy
> |  being non-informed.
> |  13. Structures are created and people are assembled in the wings
> |  and then are wheeled in to fill the positions when it
> |  is clear it will be "a success" in their eyes. There is zero
> |  risk for their top echelon. They buy stocks as insiders the same way,
> |  and profit from being the only ones able to buy at special
> |  prices and sell later (quietly) when no one is looking.
> |  14. Security and stability become the "covers" for justification
> |  that some need to know but not others. When the truth is
> |  boiled down to simple things, then everyone knows. They do not
> |  like that. Therefore, artificial complexity is added.
> |  15. When in doubt, self-manufacture the need for reform. That
> |  will distract the masses for months or years, while nothing
> |  really changes in the face-to-face and on-the-phone deal-making.
> |
> |  "The very last thing they want is to be suddenly made equal..."
> |  "The very last thing they want is for, suddenly, the truth to be
> |  exposed..."
> |
> |  They have spent their entire lives gaming the system, they do
> |  not intend to stop now. It is all they know. It defines them.
> |
>
>
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