Re: [atlarge-discuss] Democracy and it's Borders

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Richard and all stakeholders or interested parties and members,

Richard Henderson wrote:

> I agree with this proposal, James, which can be powerfully developed through
> www.atlarge.org

  However Richard, as you one very eloquently pointed out, the members
voted for ICANNATLARGE.ORG as our official DN presence...
But you right, this could be developed very nicely through the
Atlarge.org.

>
>
> Unfortunately when we tried to get the use of www.atlarge.org (which Marc
> Schneiders has kindly offered to us for our use) the panel voted 4 for, 4
> against, and 1 abstention - so the effort was stalled.

  Well that is unfortunate.  However perhaps a vote by the members
should be taken on this concern...

>
>
> Unless and until we proceed with this democratic, open and powerful concept,
> I fear the At Large Nation (to use your terms) will remain splintered,
> scattered and easy to marginalise.

  This is indeed a possibility.  That's why we need to formulate a
"Chapter" system or process so as to thwart such marginilization..

>
>
> We need a rallying point : an At Large space open and available to all. We
> must not block this. How we develop www.icannatlarge.org is OUR business and
> our responsibility. But Icannatlarge.org is only part of the "At Large
> Nation". We may do well. We may do badly.

  There is always risk regardless of the direction taken.  That's life!  >;)

>
>
> Yet, even at this moment, there is nothing to stop the initiation of an open
> At Large web space, which is not just defined by nations (as you propose)
> but is also Trans-Group (as Joop suggests).

  And this is underway as we speak...

>
>
> In my opinion, Joop and you are talking great sense, and I just hope that
> this can be furthered through IcannatLarge.org. It does not have to be. If
> IcannatLarge.org does not want to espouse this Greater At Large concept,
> then some of us can initiate it anyway - because although we are members of
> IcannatLarge.org, we are also members of the greater At Large community of
> ordinary users all over the world.

  Exactly!  >;)  It only takes dedication and money!

>
>
> We can initiate this at almost any time. We have the contacts. We have
> people keen to get to work on a nation by nation basis. Indeed, many members
> of IcannatLarge.org may also want to subscribe to the broader At Large
> construct and be part of a broader alliance AS WELL as IcannatLarge.org

  Also indeed true.  I am sure some will!

>
>
> It is getting close to decision time on whether to do this through
> IcannatLarge.org or through a grouping of people who share the vision.
>
> The benefit of using subdomains of a single point of identity is that it
> allows diversity and freedom of expression, while building up the group
> identity of the At Large in a coalition which will publicly demonstrate the
> opposition to Icann and the shared vision of an Internet run by its users.
>
> This, in turn, has significant implications for the emergence of a new
> democratic frontier for the whole world.
>
> Richard H
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jkhan <Jkhan@MetroMgr.com>
> To: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 9:16 AM
> Subject: [atlarge-discuss] Democracy and it's Borders
>
> Jeff:
>
> Thanks Jeff, I appreciate your commentaries in small doses ;-]
>
> >  I am not sure what you mean by "Sub Domains"?
>
> In this case Sub-Domains are used as a unique identifier. For example the
> http://www.Navaho Nation.Arizona.Atlarge.com, here you have a group
> identified as the Navaho. in the state of Arizona. and member of the
> Atlarge.
>
> The variation is also true, http://Arizona.Navaho Nation.Atlarge.com here
> the Arizona. members the Navaho Nation. of the Atlarge. are identified.
>
> The right to left classifier can be confusing.
>
> Jeff, In my opinion (and I maybe wrong) the ccTDLs classification system is
> limiting. Consider this:
>
> There are 961 unique Languages (fyi: Microsoft publishes 57 of these in MUIs
> / Multilingual User Interface pacs) , I had last counted (see:
> http://www.worldlanguage.com/Languages/  ) . There are also a great number
> of Nations, for example consider the Nations of the American Indians.
> People identify themselves by the language they speak and groups they
> identify with. 'They' choose to put "Construction" upon this.
>
> Countries are bound by their geographies, thus so are the ccTDLs.
>
> The possibilities are as Boundless; as one person / one voice. However our
> goal* is to be united in the 'Recognition' of this, the respectful
> opportunity of having recognition to the point of, one person one voice. [*
> Utopian]
>
> >Do you mean 3rd level Domain names for this structure for chapters by
> country or region?
>
> Yes & No, as I refer to my comments above, we must agree to find a level
> which supports a 'Manageable' system, that is inclusive by nature. I think
> 'Nation-States' are a good starting point.
>
> Addendum:  I would also like to point out that there is a danger of loosing
> many of our 'Linguistic species and Tribal Nations' if they are not
> included, and overlooked.
>
> James
>
>

Regards,


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