Jon,
If there is any way CECUA and IcannAtLarge can work together toward shared
goals then it would be great to work together. My view is that there are
many Internet User groups with diverse interests but certain shared beliefs.
I see a good way forward to be the recognition of this multiplicity, and the
building of some kind of umbrella where a coalition of sympathetic groups
can meet, support issues, and signal the growing alliance of views in favour
of Internet Users getting much more representation in the processes of the
Internet.
For example, we could create a site such as worldwideusers.org (or similar
name which is available) and then have a central set of pages for discussion
of key issues, as well as subdomains for different groups and localities.
The Internet belongs to millions of ordinary people who use it, build it,
share on it, trade on it, communicate on it, educate on it, and the sooner
we build an independent internet users' movement to clearly represent this
huge but diverse constituency, the better.
I hope you won't mind if I forward this thread to the discuss list of our
members so that they can be included in what could be a really valuable
contact between our two organisations. An alliance and sharing of ideas and
goals would be excellent, and particularly an exploration of a structure
independent of ICANN, which would, however, still want to engage with ICANN
on many issues, but on OUR own terms, using OUR own structures.
Once again, thanks for your response.
Kind regards,
Richard Henderson
(Panelist, IcannatLarge)
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Thor Thorhallsson <Jon@ECPINT.com>
To: 'Richard Henderson' <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>
Cc: Alain MOSCOWITZ (E-mail) <alain.moscowitz@cecua.org>; Friedrich Dittmer
Public Relations CECUA (E-mail) <friedrich.dittmer@cecua.org>; Stuart Goold
Secretary General CECUA (E-mail) <stuart.goold@cecua.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 3:35 AM
Subject: RE: please share with your members,and other organizations and
mailings lists
> Richard,
> Thanks for those interesting comments.
> CECUA has touched upon some of your concerns in the last CECUA NewsEvent
> www.cecua.org
> Kind regards,
> Jon
>
> Prof. Dr. Jon Thorhallsson
> President CECUA (Confederation of European Computer User Associations)
> Tel: +354 899 1190
> Fax: +354 553 4363
> jon.thorhallsson@cecua.org
> www.cecua.org
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Henderson [mailto:richardhenderson@ntlworld.com]
> Sent: 28. janúar 2003 22:40
> To: Denise Michel; Thomas Roessler; Alexander Svensson; Andriamparany
> Marius; Christian Ahlert; Edmundo Valenti; Erick Iriarte Ahon; Esther
Dyson;
> Gabriel Piñeiro; Gonzalo Auza; Hans Klein; Izumi Aizu; Jakobsen Tom
> (E-mail); Jon Thorhallsson; MOSCOWITZ Alain; Na. Vijayashankar; Nuria de
la
> Fuente Teixidó; Peter Shane; Ramayya Krishnan; Ramboasalama Haja;
> AddressListTooLong-Suppressed:
> Subject: Re: please share with your members,and other organizations and
> mailings lists
>
> Sotiris
>
> Thank you for forwarding this mail from Denise Michel.
>
> However IcannatLarge.org has not taken a decision on any kind of
> participation whatsoever in this "top-down" ICANN process.
>
> We shall hopefully be taking a vote in the next few days, and there is
> already some vociferous criticism of a process and agenda which seems to
> have been set up top-down in order to legitimise the Lynn reforms and the
> disgraceful proposed expulsion of the At Large elected representatives
from
> the ICANN Board.
>
> The idea that the At Large movement of Internet Users worldwide should be
> structured INSIDE Icann is a big presumption on the part of Denise Michel.
> It seems clear to me that this is a cynical attempt to contain and control
> the role of the At large, and is an exercise in damage limitation.
>
> There is a much stronger case to be made for creating a coalition and
> alliance of Internet User groups OUTSIDE the fake Icann structures, where
it
> can develop "bottom up" and independently as a vocal force in opposition
to
> the self-interest and discredited management of Icann, demanding true
> democratic representation on the Board, instead of sanctioning the feeble
> replacement role for the At Large as an advisory that can be ignored at
> will.
>
> The ALAC and system of RALOs is an Icann agenda which seeks to ward off
real
> democratic participation and representation on the Icann Board.
>
> However, there is another At Large emerging, a greater At Large, which
seeks
> to develop its own agenda, its own structures, and - most importantly -
its
> own democracy.
>
> To illustrate: what democratic mandate has Denise Michel got? Who voted
for
> her? Isn't she simply at the beck and call of the Icann Board? Isn't she
> just laying claim "top down" to a role and an agenda which the At Large
> itself never chose as its favoured course?
>
> In contrast, there is a growing bottom up movement based on democratic
> process, and the best future for the At Large is to create a coalition of
> sympathisers who agree that the Internet is a public resource for millions
> of ordinary people, and that it is unthinkable that this huge constituency
> should be kept from taking a critical controlling role in the
administration
> of the DNS - possibly without Icann at all in the future.
>
> So once again, thank you for keeping our membership informed about these
> self-appointing, top-down imposed initiatives : but our membership has not
> agreed to support the ALAC or the RALOs.
>
> To do so seems to many of us to be a legitimisation of an unacceptable
> regime and an unacceptable agenda.
>
> Richard Henderson
> (Panelist, IcannatLarge.org)
>
>
>
>
>
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