Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: please share with your members,and other organizations and mailings lists

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Jefsey and all,

  I also agree personally with the content and gist of this letter.  However
given ICANNATLARGE.ORG's current state, I have doubts that it will
be taken seriously if considered at all...

J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin wrote:

> I fully support that letter. I would certainly be glad cooperating in
> France with CECUA (we already  friendly lose relations). jfc
>
> On 07:20 29/01/03, Richard Henderson said:
>
> >Jon,
> >
> >If there is any way CECUA and IcannAtLarge can work together toward shared
> >goals then it would be great to work together. My view is that there are
> >many Internet User groups with diverse interests but certain shared beliefs.
> >I see a good way forward to be the recognition of this multiplicity, and the
> >building of some kind of umbrella where a coalition of sympathetic groups
> >can meet, support issues, and signal the growing alliance of views in favour
> >of Internet Users getting much more representation in the processes of the
> >Internet.
> >
> >For example, we could create a site such as worldwideusers.org (or similar
> >name which is available) and then have a central set of pages for discussion
> >of key issues, as well as subdomains for different groups and localities.
> >The Internet belongs to millions of ordinary people who use it, build it,
> >share on it, trade on it, communicate on it, educate on it, and the sooner
> >we build an independent internet users' movement to clearly represent this
> >huge but diverse constituency, the better.
> >
> >I hope you won't mind if I forward this thread to the discuss list of our
> >members so that they can be included in what could be a really valuable
> >contact between our two organisations. An alliance and sharing of ideas and
> >goals would be excellent, and particularly an exploration of a structure
> >independent of ICANN, which would, however, still want to engage with ICANN
> >on many issues, but on OUR own terms, using OUR own structures.
> >
> >Once again, thanks for your response.
> >
> >Kind regards,
> >
> >Richard Henderson
> >(Panelist, IcannatLarge)
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Jon Thor Thorhallsson <Jon@ECPINT.com>
> >To: 'Richard Henderson' <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>
> >Cc: Alain MOSCOWITZ (E-mail) <alain.moscowitz@cecua.org>; Friedrich Dittmer
> >Public Relations CECUA (E-mail) <friedrich.dittmer@cecua.org>; Stuart Goold
> >Secretary General CECUA (E-mail) <stuart.goold@cecua.org>
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 3:35 AM
> >Subject: RE: please share with your members,and other organizations and
> >mailings lists
> >
> >
> > > Richard,
> > > Thanks for those interesting comments.
> > > CECUA has touched upon some of your concerns in the last CECUA NewsEvent
> > > www.cecua.org
> > > Kind regards,
> > > Jon
> > >
> > > Prof. Dr. Jon Thorhallsson
> > > President CECUA (Confederation of European Computer User Associations)
> > > Tel:  +354 899 1190
> > > Fax: +354 553 4363
> > > jon.thorhallsson@cecua.org
> > > www.cecua.org
> > >
> > >  -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Richard Henderson [mailto:richardhenderson@ntlworld.com]
> > > Sent: 28. janúar 2003 22:40
> > > To: Denise Michel; Thomas Roessler; Alexander Svensson; Andriamparany
> > > Marius; Christian Ahlert; Edmundo Valenti; Erick Iriarte Ahon; Esther
> >Dyson;
> > > Gabriel Piñeiro; Gonzalo Auza; Hans Klein; Izumi Aizu; Jakobsen Tom
> > > (E-mail); Jon Thorhallsson; MOSCOWITZ Alain; Na. Vijayashankar; Nuria de
> >la
> > > Fuente Teixidó; Peter Shane; Ramayya Krishnan; Ramboasalama Haja;
> > > AddressListTooLong-Suppressed:
> > > Subject: Re: please share with your members,and other organizations and
> > > mailings lists
> > >
> > > Sotiris
> > >
> > > Thank you for forwarding this mail from Denise Michel.
> > >
> > > However IcannatLarge.org has not taken a decision on any kind of
> > > participation whatsoever in this "top-down" ICANN process.
> > >
> > > We shall hopefully be taking a vote in the next few days, and there is
> > > already some vociferous criticism of a process and agenda which seems to
> > > have been set up top-down in order to legitimise the Lynn reforms and the
> > > disgraceful proposed expulsion of the At Large elected representatives
> >from
> > > the ICANN Board.
> > >
> > > The idea that the At Large movement of Internet Users worldwide should be
> > > structured INSIDE Icann is a big presumption on the part of Denise Michel.
> > > It seems clear to me that this is a cynical attempt to contain and control
> > > the role of the At large, and is an exercise in damage limitation.
> > >
> > > There is a much stronger case to be made for creating a coalition and
> > > alliance of Internet User groups OUTSIDE the fake Icann structures, where
> >it
> > > can develop "bottom up" and independently as a vocal force in opposition
> >to
> > > the self-interest and discredited management of Icann, demanding true
> > > democratic representation on the Board, instead of sanctioning the feeble
> > > replacement role for the At Large as an advisory that can be ignored at
> > > will.
> > >
> > > The ALAC and system of RALOs is an Icann agenda which seeks to ward off
> >real
> > > democratic participation and representation on the Icann Board.
> > >
> > > However, there is another At Large emerging, a greater At Large, which
> >seeks
> > > to develop its own agenda, its own structures, and - most importantly -
> >its
> > > own democracy.
> > >
> > > To illustrate: what democratic mandate has Denise Michel got? Who voted
> >for
> > > her? Isn't she simply at the beck and call of the Icann Board? Isn't she
> > > just laying claim "top down" to a role and an agenda which the At Large
> > > itself never chose as its favoured course?
> > >
> > > In contrast, there is a growing bottom up movement based on democratic
> > > process, and the best future for the At Large is to create a coalition of
> > > sympathisers who agree that the Internet is a public resource for millions
> > > of ordinary people, and that it is unthinkable that this huge constituency
> > > should be kept from taking a critical controlling role in the
> >administration
> > > of the DNS - possibly without Icann at all in the future.
> > >
> > > So once again, thank you for keeping our membership informed about these
> > > self-appointing, top-down imposed initiatives : but our membership has not
> > > agreed to support the ALAC or the RALOs.
> > >
> > > To do so seems to many of us to be a legitimisation of an unacceptable
> > > regime and an unacceptable agenda.
> > >
> > > Richard Henderson
> > > (Panelist, IcannatLarge.org)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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Regards,

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