Re: [atlarge-discuss] Joop's poll

[Eric Dierker <eric@hi-tek.com>]

Well now,
This is a fine idea if we try.
I also do not object at all but ask for courtesy in language.
I often fail in using my five hundred word text but I try.
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> Dear fellow icannatlarge.orgers,
> Joop Teernstra has initiated a poll with the support of Richard and
> Joop. I  would have wholeheartedly supported that initiative should
> have it been  made according to my understandings of the netocracy.
> 
> I do not object at all - this is even the basis of my thinking - to 
> individual initiatives and strong pushes by doers. But I have a real 
> problem with the Anglo-Saxon's wording of the way to do it. In French
> the  key words in here are missing in English what roots the
> difference. These  two key words are:
> 
> - "se poser un problème". In English when you face a problem you solve
> it.  As many problems as many solutions. In French you study it first
> to know  about the rules of the problem, to see if you really have a
> problem or just  another version of something you already solved. This
> cartesianism.
> 
> - "concertation". In English "concertation" means contention. The very 
> opposite of the French word which means the way to jointly govern in 
> concert or a governance in concert (what I try to translate through 
> dot-root in jointly coining the word "concertance" for the network 
> governance).
> 
> I shared in the analysis of the problem by Joop, Richard, James and
> others.  I expressed my reservations on the practicalities of the poll
> and on the  logic of the questions; I also made clear my position
> regarding the  relations with the Panel and with the Membership. I have
> been heard on one  small yet important point. Not on others.
> 
> This lead me to think that this proposition is useful to us if we
> consider  it as a poll and only as a poll. So please respond to it. If
> you don't your  opponents (who ever they may be) will tell you that you
> could have  responded to the poll.
> 
> This also leads me to think that this proposition is not mature enough
> and  should not be repeated as such. I was in favor of asking Joop to
> run votes  for us. I am afraid that I could not before my basic demands
> are addressed :
> 
> 1. the boot must be served by at least 5 trusted polling officers. Joop
>  acting as the technical owner. Trustees have not to be elected
> (minorities  must be represented so they may make sure their rights are
> respected). They  have to be nominated and endorsed.
> 
> 2. any member with a minimum seconding must be permitted to get a
> question  in a monthly poll.
> 
> 3. major poll (not vote) on the future of the organization must go
> through  the panel for editing. The point being that questions are
> wrote in clear  internationally understandable English and in a
> balanced enough way so  every opinion at stake is represented.
> 
> 4. the Members will receive a "click and vote" mail containing an URL
> for  them to vote, without pasting names and keywords. This calls for
> very minor  development. I asked Joop the necessary elements so it
> could be included in  this poll, I did not receive them yet.
> 
> So, in a nutshell : please respond to the poll, but also use this as a
> way  to tell yes to individual initiative and no to individual creep
> (just  because "I" never worked in netocracy, only "we" works well).
> jfc
> 
> 
> 
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