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Re: [atlarge-discuss] enough waiting for nothing



Judyth and all,

espresso@e-scape.net wrote:

> At 18:25 -0800 2003/02/03, Jeff Williams wrote:
> >Joop and all,
> >
> >  I got your message from webmaster@icannatlarge.com regarding the
> >Poll you are promoting.  Although this effort is admirable it is
> >misplaced and not a part or ICANNATLARGE.ORG.
> >
> >  Indeed the present Panel have been less than productive sense their
> >inception, such efforts as you Joop are desiring and promoting
> >should originate from our official Web site ICANNATLARGE.ORG.
>
> Personally, I have difficulty understanding Jeff's perpetual
> insistence that everything must emanate from the server
> hosting ICANNATLARGE.ORG -- thousands of Web sites have
> some of their pages or functions hosted on an external server
> without impairing their usefulness or legitimacy.

  I personally find it difficult to understand why Judyth or any other
member cannot grasp the basic concept that ICANNATLARGE.ORG
and ICANNATLARGE.COM as has been already determined
are NOT one in the same organizations.  And are operated/managed
by two entirely different sets or "Individuals", thereby making the
"Voting Booth" associated with ICANNATLARGE.COM not
in the determined interest of the legitimate members of ICANNATLARGE.ORG.

  Although the/Joops "Voting Booth" is a good idea, it is flawed for
actual voting purposes as the actual audit records can be hacked
too easily and thereby slanting any Poll or Vote according to whomever
is in control of the "Voting Booth" which was demonstrated some time
ago in the now defunct IDNO fiasco...

>
>
> That being said, I continue to be concerned about the fact
> that virtually everything concrete we do is in fact not done
> by us as a group, or even ratified by the group, but happens
> only because some individual takes the decision unilaterally.
>
> That, my friends, is how NOT to have democratic governance.
> So, at the risk of upsetting (again) all the people who think
> that the general membership shouldn't vote on proposals
> or that voting should not be permitted on this list, I
> would like to propose:
>
> a) THAT the ad hoc voting mechanism set up at ICANNATLARGE.COM
> be approved for use by the ICANNATLARGE.ORG membership in
> order to gauge the interests and opinions of as many
> registered members as possible, and
>
> b) THAT this approval is intended as an interim measure and
> the ICANNATLARGE.COM Polling Booth may be used only
> - as a means of gathering input so as to formulate draft
> resolutions for later formal ballots by e-mail according
> to the rules for such ballots, or
> - for official organizational purposes for a period not to
> exceed 60 days, during which time the organization will
> draft, amend as needed, and ratify its bylaw concerning
> the procedures for elections and referenda.
>
> Assuming this motion finds a seconder, and assuming that only
> members who actually post on this list are involved enough
> to really care what happens, I would like to suggest that
> for the time being, the quorum for a vote by the membership
> on this particular motion should be set at 20 - roughly
> two-thirds of the number of people who have stuck with this
> list until now, if I'm any good at guessing.
>
> Anyway, FWIW it's normal to require 2/3 of the number of
> ballots cast in order to pass, amend or delete a bylaw,
> and I can only hope people are willing to vote for
> something which might help us out of the present impass.
>
> Regards,
>
> Judyth
>
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> Montreal, QC           <espresso@e-scape.net>
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Regards,

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Jeffrey A. Williams
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