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Re: [atlarge-discuss] E-mail List Rules
Bruce and all,
Eric offered a set of bylaws as well as a charter for this organization
that would suffice several months ago. They were ignored or
not reviewed by the Panel. One of the Panel's tasks that it was
elected to do was to come up with a set of draft bylaws for the
members to review and determine or otherwise modify/reject/approve.
That has yet to occur, and in fact the Chair of the Panel, Hans, rejected
the idea of adhering to the set of tasks that the Panel was suppose to
work on, hence no draft bylaws. In addition, Jefsey created a Bylaws
ML by which such bylaws could be worked upon, it has been
basically abandon...
Hence I can only reasonably conclude that the following is basically
true or accurate:
1.) The original Panel members soon after being elected, rejected or refused
to work on their appointed and mandated tasks.
2.) That the lack of interest by the vast majority of members of this
fledgling organization is terribly lacking.
3.) That when offered by active and interested members, assistance
for the membership of this organization is routinely rejected, ignored,
or debated into oblivion so as to block and forward progress of
any meaningful affirmation.
4.) That we need a new election and replacement of panel members if
this fledgling organization is to have half a chance of being successful.
5.) That List rules of any sort at this stage will only be debated
ad nausium so as to make the whole idea seem like a means to
silence some members form participating and thereby further
disenchant silent members for actively participating and helping
this fledgling organization...
bruce@barelyadequate.info wrote:
> Jeff Williams wrote:
>
> | Humm? I don't believe that the members voted to approve any list
> | rules to date. So whom "approved" the set of draft rules you posted
> | below, Bruce?
>
> These were interim rules voted on by the panel, which BTW describe all the
> rules we have right now! Why do you think I've been pushing so hard for
> bylaws?!
>
> I understand the necessity for interim rules, but like many others I am
> uncomfortable with them because, until we have bylaws approved by the
> membership, they are subject to challenge. And the longer we delay
> implementing bylaws, the less "interim" these rules are! Not good!
>
> Bruce Young
> Portland, Oregon USA
> bruce@barelyadequate.info
> http://www.barelyadequate.info
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> | -----Original Message-----
> | From: Jeff Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com]
> | Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 5:51 PM
> | To: bruce@barelyadequate.info
> | Cc: At-Large Discussion List
> | Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] E-mail List Rules
> |
> |
> | Bruce, Walter and all,
> |
> | Humm? I don't believe that the members voted to approve any list
> | rules to date. So whom "approved" the set of draft rules you posted
> | below, Bruce?
> |
> | bruce@barelyadequate.info wrote:
> |
> | > I believe it was WAlter who wanted to know the current list
> | rules. Here is
> | > the only thing I could find that was ever approved:
> | >
> | > "The following actions are forbidden on any public mailing list
> | > managed by icannatlarge.org, including the working group lists:
> | > 1) spamming or posting commercial advertisement
> | > 2) posting by using bots
> | > 3) posting with fake or forged identities (except for personal
> | > security reasons, after explicit authorization by the panel)
> | > 4) flooding with meaningless messages
> | > 5) repeatedly posting off-topic messages
> | > 6) insulting or personally attacking other participants
> | >
> | > Violation of these rules will be punished with a temporary ban
> | > (lasting at least 15 days and to be removed at the request of the
> | > banned participant), or, if the participant has already been deemed
> | > guilty of such violation in the past, with a permanent ban.
> | >
> | > Action to apply the aforementioned punishments will be taken by the
> | > list administrator of each list, either by his personal initiative or
> | > after request by other participants. In this case, the list
> | > administrator will post a warning to the affected list(s), and if no
> | > objections are received in the next 24 hours (other than from the
> | > punished poster), he will then apply the ban. If objections arise,
> | > then the panel will vote to decide whether a violation has really
> | > occurred.
> | >
> | > Existing bans may however be lifted at any time by a panel vote."
> | >
> | > Bruce Young
> | > Portland, Oregon USA
> | > bruce@barelyadequate.info
> | > http://www.barelyadequate.info
> | > --------------------------------------------
> | > Support democratic control of the Internet!
> | > Go to http://www.icannatlarge.org and Join ICANN At Large!
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