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Re: [atlarge-discuss] election or disbanding
Bruce and all fellow members,
It is obvious that you are a bit behind the curve regarding Jefsey's
current stated position. Given that you are responding to a post from
Jefsey that is almost two weeks old, this is not surprising...
May kindly suggest that you get up to speed and current Bruce...???
bruce@barelyadequate.info wrote:
> Jefsey's list of compalaints here is valid. We are a non-organization going
> nowhere fast unless we move and have elections NOW!
>
> Judyth and Jan: if you are unable or unwilling to do this, please pass the
> list to me and I'll do it all myself, including you two as watchdogs to
> count the vote.
>
> Bruce Young
> Portland, Oregon
> bruce@barelyadequate.info
> http://www.barelyadequate.info
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> | -----Original Message-----
> | From: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin [mailto:jefsey@club-internet.fr]
> | Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 12:12 AM
> | To: espresso@e-scape.net; atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> | Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] election or disbanding
> |
> |
> | All what you say, and re-say and quote only say the same
> | thing:
> |
> | At 18:21 17/03/03, espresso@e-scape.net wrote:
> | >Otherwise I think I will resign too and let Jefsey continue with
> | >Satyajit and whoever he wants.
> |
> | either Vittorio is the Chair and the panel has voted to
> | organize the elections. Or he is not the Chair and I am
> | to help the Panel to organize the elections it voted.
> |
> | either Vittorio is the Chair and Eric is an elected
> | non-yet Panelist, or Vittorio resigned and Bruce
> | and me may call Eric as well as all the others as
> | Panelist elect.
> |
> | Until Vittorio's mail saying he resigned from every
> | Chairmanship he had, he had not resigned. Now,
> | he has, I join Bruce in calling every Panelist elect
> | to join the Panel.
> |
> | >From: <bruce@barelyadequate.info>
> | >| So, on behalf of the remaining Panelists, as I am sure that
> | >| Bruce, I cannot reach now, will support this,
> | >I do!
> |
> |
> | >This is Bruce's ballot in my informal vote:
> |
> | I am sorry you totally disregarded my vote. I totally
> | agree with Bruce, in front of your biased ballot.
> | I totally oppose that you give the list to any Member.
> |
> | I only demand that you give it back to its legitimate
> | owner: the Group which it has been stolen from by
> | Vittorio and that the Panel represents, and that
> | the remaining Panelists said you and Jan were
> | legitimate de facto co-trustees, with them not as
> | individuals but as elected Panelists with the mission
> | to do it. (Had I known that we would have to go
> | through the ordeal you impose on us to carry that
> | mission, bleieve me I would bever have been a
> | candidate ! and I am not a candidate anymore.
> | I will leve others to survive you :-).
> |
> | BTW on a personal point of view I deeply resent that
> | you had not the decency to put the standard option
> | on your Gallup and did not reported first to the Members
> | that I told you so when voting.
> |
> | >That's *exactly* what went wrong with Joop and Vittorio on
> | >previous occasions, and I was sorely disappointed to learn
> | >that you favour the same methods.
> |
> | What you do not see is that this is what is going deeply
> | wrong with you. And that what you did not do has now
> | lead to a take over by Mr. Teernstra after Mr. Bertola used
> | our silence/silencing to be lected to ALAC.
> |
> | >I understand that may be the way your impatience shows
> | >itself, and I'm impatient now myself - but I still think the
> | >group needs to develop a habit of working together
> | >democratically or there's literally no point to its existence.
> |
> | Yes. Ma'am. Aie, aie, ma"am.
> |
> | But while you developped your doctroing of us, among a
> | few things:
> |
> | - Vittorio has been elected ALAC and has confused the
> | ITU ccTLD meetng defending politcial ôptions which
> | are now used by some detrimentally to the ccTLDs
> | and will probably deeply affect the future of the DN
> | holders.
> |
> | - we did not even had a mail onthe matter but mine.
> | So we are very far of a position!
> |
> | - Joop has started his take over of this group
> |
> | - we have officially lost of few of us and in reallity
> | probably many
> |
> | - we have no Panel
> |
> | - we have no position for Rio so after the Amsterdam
> | ringmarole: we have lost every credibility
> |
> | - we have no incorporation permitting us to claim
> | our rights to the host
> |
> | - we have no incorporation permitting us to claim
> | our rights to the DN registrar
> |
> | - we have a totally outdated site
> |
> | - new members are coming though two different
> | sources, so the division is quite consumated
> |
> | - after many others wanting to impose others their
> | own theoric democracy to support their own
> | agenda instead of pragmatically serving it,
> | we now have a new member on the list.
> |
> | It was a job well done.
> |
> | >By the way, I've been reading every word but that's not to say
> | >I must inevitably agree with every word. If you're entitled
> | >to dismiss my opinions, you must surely realize I don't have
> | >to adopt yours.
> |
> | I have no opinion. You have plenty.
> |
> | I only try to go by the few existing rules of our
> | mission statement and normal democratic behavior
> | among civilized democratic countries. Which is to
> | serve others in permitting them to practically say
> | what they want.
> |
> | Not in doctoring them on the way they should
> | theorically behave.
> |
> | You want them to build a Unesco. I only want
> | them to be permitted to vote for a Panel (even
> | electing you) where I am not candidate, to
> | incorporate a serious secretariat, so this incredible
> | situation does not reproduce and they may protect
> | the Members list from the hi-jacking by Joop,
> | Vittorio, Jan and you we faced. Then them to
> | proceed the way they want, even against all
> | what I personnally think they should do (what
> | has not to interfere while I organize their vote).
> |
> | And then to never hear about this anymore.
> |
> | Dear King Joop, dear Queen Judyth
> | God bless you. I have nothing against monarchy,
> | to the countrary, but this is not monarchy this
> | is kingship, royalty. A monarchy is democratic,
> | the kingship you attempt is not.
> |
> | jfc
> |
> |
> |
> |
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