Re: [atlarge-discuss] Last Man Standing - Where is the Beef?

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Joop and all fellow members,

  Thank you Joop for finally realizing that outreach is a necessary and
priority goal.  I have only been calling for such outreach for more than
6 months for this fledgling organization.

  This fledgling organization badly needs to be in a position to actually
address DNS issues.  However as ICANNATLARGE.ORG is yet
an actual organization, such a collective voice or positions cannot
be legitimately put forward.

  The now capture attempt underway, will fail.  It is showing signs of
that failure over the past couple of days.
For instance; Where is Jefseys DOS based voting mechanism as
he has mentioned he is working on?  Is there an actual visible
sign of it's progress or lack there of?

  We must collectively face reality and not wishful thinking.  That
thinking can and should come later.  Real work, and real workers
are needed.
  Again, where is the beef?

  The distraction of the IDNO was of your own well known and
still documented, making Joop.  Hence trying to cast that failure
toward Sotiris is not a very honorable or wise thing to do.

Joop Teernstra wrote:

> Danny,
>
> I appreciate your periodical challenge to get our democratic house  in
> order and I appreciate even more the response your challenge provoked from
> Ron Sherwood. (Well spoken, Ron--would you kindly copy it into the Forum?)
>
> So far you have done an excellent job of responding to the DNS issues that
> the ICANN -process is throwing at us.
> Someone has to do it, in order to keep others free to spend their precious
> time on the building of a representative structure that must one day
> replace the ad-hoc "speaking on behalf of all"  that you can practice now.
> Don't worry, if people disagreed strongly with your representations, they
> would tell you so on the GA list or here. :-)
>
> If I have been relatively quiet on issues such as "deletes" , "WHOIS
> accuracies and enforcement", etc. it is only because I realize that it is
> even more important to give voices like yours the democratic credibility
> that will be needed to give them political weight.
>
> The seemingly petty and childish struggles around how to best fulfill the
> members' wishes are all attempts to gain or retain control of this process
> before the rules are firmed up and ratified. .
> Perhaps having elections at this stage is a reverie as you call it.
> But if all of us (re)turned to speaking on DNS issues only, the small goal
> (of being heard and perhaps even listened to) might be attained, but the
> longer-term goal (of having fully empowered representatives, speaking with
> authority) would be neglected.
>
> Sotiris is right to flag the presence of enemies of any well-run mechanism
> of representation for those affected by ICANN's "rule".
>
> After the sabotage of the IDNO and the partially successful subsequent
> attempts to kill off of its website and archives,  expect nothing but the
> same for the icannatlarge attempt here.
> You can trust only those who prove their  fine words with their consistent
> *actions*.
>
> The disheartening aspect of this whole fight for democracy is, that
> once  the battle for the uncapturable structure is won, we will still face
> the battle of the voters' registry.
>
> Who will be our future voters?
> If you want to read how that is determined in "real politics" read
> http://www.fairvote.org/op_eds/economistredis.htm
> (how to rig an election).
>
> With only 1070 members, how easy will it be for ICANN or the DNS -industry
> to flood us with new members that are pre-selected?
>
> I do not know how to "solve" this,  except by being active with promoting a
> membership-wide spirit of competition for recruiting new members and aim
> for the highest possible numbers.
>
> That the sandbox shrinks in the meantime is not such a worry. The
> (founding)members that we have now, before the gerrymandering has started,
> must have the privilege to determine the structure and make it solid.
>
> After that, let the outreach begin.
>
> -joop-
>
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Regards,
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Jeffrey A. Williams
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