If you lived in a country that filtered sites like ABC news, Human Rights Watch, and had a record of running students over with tanks, secret abductions, and covering up disease epidemics, wouldn't YOU be afraid of participating in democratic organizations online? No, I don't think the problem is "fear" at this point, the problem is outreach. But once some outreach is done, we should probably have a mechanism for "secret" participation. Why? 2 reasons: 1) fear, 2) the outreach could very well get us filtered. -s On Sat, 2003-05-03 at 11:39, Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote: > Well Stephen, > > Seems your concerns are unjustified, so rest easy.... Both icann.org > and icannatlarge.org/com are available to internet users inChina, they > are not filtered! > > See: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/filtering/china/test/ > > Furthermore, the government of China is no pariah government, it is > internationally recognized and everyone. So once again, who are you to > speak for the Chinese? > > --Sotiris > > Stephen Waters wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-05-02 at 17:55, Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote: > > > > > With all due respect Stephen, but why don't you worry about your own > > > backyard before you go worrying about someone else's? > > > > > > > I do. > > > > > > > Do you live in China? How do you know what it's like to live in > > > China? > > > > > > > I don't, but I've been following the news since the Tiananmen Square > > massacre. Some information about access in China: > > > > http://www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue8_1/kalathil/kalathil_contents.html > > > > http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/filtering/china/ > > http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/filtering/china/China-highlights.html > > http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/filtering/china/test/ > > > > (I tested icannatlarge.org, .com, and fitug.de and it appears they are > > accessible behind the Great China Firewall, which is good) > > > > http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993260 > > > > > > > > > Can't the Chinese speak for themselves? In the final analysis, who > > > are you to speak for them? > > > > > > > I'm not speaking for the Chinese. I'm interested in ensuring they can > > speak at all to our organization, voting included, if it is at all > > possible. > > > > -s > > > > >
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