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Re: [atlarge-discuss] Membership Issues and an Invitation to IRC -- was Membership fees
Hello Mark:
Thank you for your prompt response. I appreciate the attention to details that you easily replied. However, this is not a Unix based world. Regardless, that Microsoft Windows attempts to replicate that environment, it is still not part of most of our culture. We do email we do not do IRC. Instant Messenger is for kids that have a lot of time on their hands and want to be distracted. The email world is the ability to save messages to a post office box and retrieve it when we have time. This is a paradigm shift, already, from what our parents knew and accepted with the snail mail box just outside the door. For the most part, your setup is really just an online chat room that separates the rest of us from the dialogue. This group had in place a means of the Panel to chatter about internal stuff and then broadcast it, to those the wished to read it, at certain intervals.
Why should we change?
Regards,
Micheal Sherrill
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "MPoole" <urgen@charter.net>
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 23:18:39 -0700
Hello Micheal,
Offline? I think I tried to say off-list as in, person to person email. And
that was because of some of these 'issues' attempting to be defined don't
hold up well to the torrent of beligerance that floods this list. Or I
think you meant not archived or reviewable by end-users. IRC (thanks for
adding what those letters stand for) can be more easily split up into
working groups and allows for much much much more rapid exchange, getting
the amount of work it takes this list a year to do in a few days. It is
also a lot more of a dynamic environment. The W3C has been using it for
years now. Granted email lists have other features too, like automatic
archiving to newsgroup formatting. But in IRC I can run a 'bot' that will
page my cell with a message should something important come up and my
attention be needed. Granted, again, email can do this as well by setting
up procmail or other mail-filtering-to-executable function that sends a
similar message. It is just so much more rigid and less fluid than IRC or
text-based, real-time conferencing. And the Internet is all about fluidity.
So it is also a bit more in the spirit of atlarge, at least in my opinion.
And IRC doesn't have to be offline, as in not archived, there are lots of
different ways to produce the very same effect that you see with this list,
an array of topics and their pursuit.
and. Hi, thanks for responding.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Micheal Sherrill" <micheal@beethoven.com>
To: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Membership Issues and an Invitation to IRC --
was Membership fees
> Hello Mark:
>
> What is the purpose of using an Internet Relay Chat? Why go offline?
Yes, it is offline for most end-users. What is wrong with simple email if
you need to talk offline?
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Micheal Sherrill
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "MPoole" <urgen@charter.net>
> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 22:36:42 -0700
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> My name is Mark Poole. I was swept into activity by the recent nomination
> cycle that seems to be swirling about still although now attempting to
> mature. The line that defines this, my, 'participation' wavers around
> whether the platform that allows such demonstrates the ability to
> acknowledge my concerns and interests.
>
> It seems like you are attempting to describe that means of participation
or
> the basis of what helps to keep it genuine.
>
> The mechanisms that support the ability to demonstrate agreement within a
> digitally networked exchange.
>
> I would have rather written to you off-list because this is a rather
fragile
> topic for me but I recognize that it is probably a fragile topic for
> everyone. The high degree of stakes posturing and measures profiling
> points to that fragility and the complimentary degree of potential reward
> available when properly cultivated.
>
> Setting the stage to recognize when the challenge of mutual fair use is
not
> being kept is an important distinction to begin definitions with.
Building
> the mechanisms of this use's expression is even more important for its
> continued survival.
>
> You have mentioned starting to craft some tools (bylaws) toward this end
and
> I would enjoy working with you on those. Toward that goal I have
dedicated
> an IRC server for interim use until something more solid takes its place.
>
> Please join me there so we can begin to work together on how to carve out
> these tools and then demonstrate their ability as guardians of voluntary
> participation to allow others to encourage meaningful exchange with.
>
> I also invite anyone else who wishes to explore these kinds of ideas to
stop
> by.
>
> IRC may be a bit of a hurdle for some but it is not much more difficult
than
> using this listserv. Get the right client and point it in the right
> direction and woosh you're there.
>
> For more help with obtaining an IRC client for the platform of your choice
> visit http://www.irchelp.org or you can write back to me directly and I
will
> get you going.
>
> The pertinent information here being the command (IRC commands often begin
> with a "/"):
>
> /server druk.imperma.net
>
> and:
>
> /join #@Large
>
> There were a few suggestions for clients sent to me the other couple times
I
> brought up the IRC idea. Which client anyone selects is not so important.
> Some do have advantages over others allowing for a more comfortable user
> experience. There was also concern about the use of a public use
dedicated
> server so I have set up something just for atlarge use. Other ircd
> available may be networked to distribute load and share responsibility.
>
>
> Thanks for your time,
>
> Mark Poole
>
> p.s. I will just leave my process idling on the channel when I am busy,
so
> if you see 'urgen' and I don't say hello, don't take offense, I'm probably
> not really there. If you have broadband you are welcome to let the client
> idle connected until more people do begin to show up and a world-wide 24
> hour 7 day conversation can begin to take place.
>
>
>
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