Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [Members] Discuss list gone?

["Richard Henderson" <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>]

Hi Jefsey - my comments below...

----- Original Message -----
From: JFC Morfin @large <jfc@atlarge.ws>

[snipped contention]

> BTW, would yours not be an ad hominem?
> Are you not violating the new list charter?
>
> jfc

Jefsey, this unwelcome dialogue is taking place on the *old* open mailing
list and is therefore not subject to the rules of the *new* moderated list.

It is exactly to get away from these unwanted threads that we established a
new mailing list which could block unnecessary personal clashes and focus on
the actual *work*.

As a moderator of the new list, I assure you I would have intervened by now
and blocked this thread, asking both of you to continue it offlist (because
the dispute is going nowhere).

With regard to the issue of your membership, this is a serious matter both
for you and for those who challenge your position. Therefore the logical
thing to do, having previously resigned, is to re-apply for membership; and
if the Panel (which you helped to create) wants to react then let them. Then
again, you are quite obviously an involved member of the At Large, whether
you belong to this particular organisation or not.

My take on the mailing list rules for the moderated list is this : part of
our maturity and responsibility to the group, in joining a working mailing
list, is to seriously impose self-restraint on ourselves, and prioritise the
actual work and tasks and structures being developed.

Personal antagonism can be continued offlist but serves only to get in the
way of what members are working hard to achieve on this list. I think after
the drivel that overwhelmed our previous list, most members would cry:
"Enough!"

I am very conscious that a core of committed members are making sacrifices
in their personal lives and working incredibly hard on our behalf.
(Certainly working harder than me!) Moderating ad hominems off the list is
not meant to be an act of moral superiority on my part (I have to abide by
the same rules) but rather an act of pragmatic respect to those people who
give up much time to build this organisation and deserve a rational
troll-free list to work through.

I think this group has become more determined to actually achieve practical
goals. This accounts for a change of tone in the management of the new
central list, and for a near-zero tolerance of the mayhem of personalities
that helped keep us off course for over a year, when you and I, Jefsey, were
on a panel which achieved almost nothing. We just let people ride roughshod
over our mailing list until it was flooded, abusive, and an incomprehensible
turn-off to new members.

Perhaps, in line with my sentiments, we could pursue any further dialogue on
this matter *offlist* - I'm sending one post on your thread to this list,
and one only.

Yrs with good wishes,

Richard



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