Re: [icann-eu] At Large Study web site, members

[jeanette@medea.wz-berlin.de]

On 1 Mar 2001, at 19:55, Mike Roberts wrote:

> Hans - this sort of foolishness is just going to confirm the total 
> irrelevancy of your efforts in the minds of the people willing to 
> give the U.S. liberals another chance to participate effectively in 
> At Large.
> 
> You're talking about someone who had run a national political 
> campaign and been elected Prime Minister of a European country; 
> someone who has been going to the Balkans routinely now for several 
> years at considerable risk to his own life to attempt to get people 
> there to enter dialogue and make peace with each after 800 years of 
> animosity; someone who was and is a leader in the Swedish 
> communications industry which has a world class standing.

The political reputation of Mr Bildt doesn't make ICANN's policy 
immune against criticism, does it? 
I object to the asymmetry between ICANN and the At Large 
Membership. In the name of privacy protection, ICANN effectively 
blocks any chance for At Large Members to contact the At Large 
Membership. Since ICANN controls the data of those who registered 
as At Large Members, it is ICANN that determines whether or not 
those people get a chance to organize themselves and build up 
legitimate structures of representation. 
It goes without saying that the ICC, or any other body for that 
matter, does not represent the At Large Membership. However, to 
discredit those, who try to circumvent the asymmetry between 
ICANN and the ALM doesn't obscure the fact that ICANN refuses 
any form of cooperation in building up bottom-up structures. 
The study committee neither embodies nor do its members 
represent the bottom-up philosophy. 
While I am personally willing to cooperate with the committee and to 
provide as much input as possible, I strongly object to the fact that 
ICANN denies the At Large Membership the chance to form and 
express an opinion that would speak for all members. To be true, 
individual groups such as NAIS might have an impact on the 
committee's conclusions, however their voices will never be as 
powerful as that of a self-organized At Large Membership. 

jeanette


> 
> So this is the guy who is a phony front for Vint Cerf or Mike Roberts?
> 
> Get a life.
> 
> - Mike
> 
> 
> 
> At 15:06 -0500 3/1/01, Hans Klein wrote:
> >The point about "independence" is a good one. 
> >
> >In the US, Carl Bildt would be described as a "political appointee."
> >Political appointees act as surrogates for the people who appoint them.
> >Carl Bildt is an impressive individual, but he cannot be described as
> >"independent of ICANN."
> >
> >Hans
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >At 08:29 PM 3/1/01 +0100, Cees Rindmarsch wrote:
> >>Mike Roberts wrote:
> >>
> >>>Let's now concentrate on participating in the study, which is being
> >>>conducted independently of ICANN and its staff.
> >>
> >>Independently of ICANN?
> >>
> >>"The At Large Membership Study Committee Chair, Carl Bildt, and Vice Chairs,
> >>Chuck Costello and Pindar Wong, nominated the following individuals as
> >>Committee Members and submitted their names to the ICANN Board of Directors
> >>for ratification: Pierre Dandjinou etc."
> >>(http://www.atlargestudy.org/members.html)
> >>
> >>And Bildt and his vice chairs were appointed by the ICANN board
> >>(http://www.icann.org/announcements/icann-pr26jan01.htm).
> >>
> >>Independently of ICANN? The word independent must have gotten a new meaning
> >>recently. Perhaps it already started with the "independent" UDRP arbitration
> >>and the way in which panelists are appointed or selected. If ICANN does not
> >>changes the internet, it certainly changes the language.
> >>
> >>--
> >>Cees Rindmarsch (cees@rindmarsch.com)
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