Re: FWD: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [ncdnhc-discuss] ISOC to bid on .org

["Micheal Sherrill" <micheal@beethoven.com>]

OK.  Mailing addresses, then.

Regards,


Micheal Sherrill

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
Date:  Sun, 09 Jun 2002 22:14:09 -0700

Michael and all stakeholders of interested parties,

  The only problem is that as I pointed out earlier, that Physical addresses
are NOT required or necessary for local, most states including California,
and the Voters Rights Act also does NOT require, in fact prohibits
using a physical address as a reason not allowing anyone to be a
registered voter.


Micheal Sherrill wrote:

> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "Micheal Sherrill" <micheal@beethoven.com>
> Reply-To: <micheal@beethoven.com>
> Date:  Sun,  9 Jun 2002 22:12:01 -0400
>
> Actually, we may be pushing the discussion beyond the original issue.  My initial comments were in defense of Joop Teernstra?s line item number 2 below concerning the use of physical addresses to authenticate online voters.  I agree with Joop.  If local, state, and federal elections can depend on real addresses (as opposed to IP addresses) then it would probably suffice for us with our elections.
>
> Regards,
>
> Micheal Sherrill
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>
> Date:  Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:30:09 -0700
>
> Don't forget what county and district they are a part of.
>
> Todd
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Micheal Sherrill" <micheal@beethoven.com>
> To: <micheal@beethoven.com>; "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> Cc: "Joop Teernstra" <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>; <discuss@icann-ncc.org>;
> "gen full" <ga-full@dnso.org>; "atlarge discuss list"
> <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 10:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [ncdnhc-discuss] ISOC to bid on .org
>
> > Nope.  California specifically asks one to put down on a registration form
> where the applicant lives and also a mailing address if it is different from
> the first line.  Sure sounds like they want both.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> > Micheal Sherrill
> > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > From: Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> > Date:  Sat, 08 Jun 2002 23:27:15 -0700
> >
> > Michael and all
> >
> > Micheal Sherrill wrote:
> >
> > > An address is needed to prove that one is a resident of California in
> order to qualify to vote.  One would think this is necessary for most, if
> not all, states.
> >
> >   Yes, the same is true in most states.  But not a physical address.
> > Residency requirements vary of course with different states in the
> > US for registration to vote.  But most states do NOT require a
> > physical address, just a mailing address.  Same is true in many
> > EU countries, as well as in most of asia..
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Micheal Sherrill
> > >
> > > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > > From: Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> > > Date:  Sat, 08 Jun 2002 21:10:02 -0700
> > >
> > > Joop and all,
> > >
> > > Joop Teernstra wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 09:11 a.m. 8/06/2002 -0700, Kent Crispin said:
> > > >
> > > > >As you know, in my opinion the ALSC (and the NAIS) simply ignored the
> > > > >issues of difficulties with elections, and I have documented that
> pretty
> > > > >thoroughly.  Using domain name registrants doesn't address the
> issues.
> > > > >Domain name registrations can be bought wholesale for $6;
> > > >
> > > > This possible mass registration "problem" is a red herring that can
> easily
> > > > be overcome by building an initial voters registry that is
> > >
> > >   It isn't a problem anyway.  Whether registrations are in mass or not
> > > is not a relevant valid concern.  Hence hardly worth even discussing
> > > or debating.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > 1. based on registrations that are at least 12 months old
> > >
> > >   This seem to very greatly from you comments and statements
> > > in the IDNO as well as the At-Large, Joop.  In any event however
> > > why should a registrant/stakeholder/user be required to wait 12 months
> > > to vote on issues that would effect them or for representatives that
> > > may be in a position that they would determine what may effect them
> > > as well?  How can you justify this?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > 2. applies a simple scrutiny process, like the provision of a name and
> a
> > > > residential address, to make reasonably (not 100%!) sure that all
> voters
> > > > are unique individuals.
> > >
> > >   Good point here finally Joop.  However residential address (Physical)
> > > is not required in the US for voter registration, nor is it in a number
> of
> > > other modern democratic countries either.  As such, why should such
> > > a requirement be imposed in this situation?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > 3. has a certain minimum number of voters (5000?) to insure against
> sudden
> > > > capture by an organized group.
> > >
> > >   Well 5000 is not a good number, but yes, a minimum number should be
> > > considered...
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Joop Teernstra LL.M.--
> > > >    interim webmaster
> > > > www.icannatlarge.com
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Jeffrey A. Williams
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CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
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