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Re: [atlarge-discuss] ALOC Draft - At-Large Structures
Jamie -
You are free as an individual to organize whatever "at-Large structure" you
wish to create. You can also rally the forces of Nader behind you if you
want. No one is stopping you.
At 04:41 PM 7/25/2002, James Love wrote:
>Esther Dyson wrote:
>>as I understand it, At-Large Structures means groups that have specific
>>interest in ICANN's activities (and meet certain criteria), rather than
>>user organizations in general. It is indeed a clumsy term, but it has a
>>precise meaning.
>
> At-large "structures" was an attempt to bury the idea of individual
> membership or voting, and if you want a dishonest and confusing label to
> undermine real at-large organizing efforts, it works. If you want to
> run the "Company union" (as one board member has called it), then
> fine. But it is to me an offensive effort to confuse the public about
> real democratic organizing efforts. I wouldn't be so offended if a more
> accurate and honest term was used. It is as if you want the powers were
> given based upon a promise to have a real at-large, but just decided to
> redefine bottom up democracy as top down non-democracy, and hoped that
> DoC (and others) would not notice.
>
>Jamie
>
>
>
>>Esther
>>
>>At 08:57 AM 7/25/2002, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:04:35 +0200, you wrote:
>>>
>>> >I believe we should think about ALAC sending delegates to
>>> >the GNSO (Names) Council. As you may know, individual
>>> >users have no seats on the proposed GNSO Council
>>> >(they are only mentioned as an example of a possible
>>> >provisional constituency).
>>>
>>>It seems like a good suggestion. Generally, I think there should be
>>>liaisons with all SO Councils - of course it will be time to say
>>>whether they are effective and necessary or not.
>>>
>>> >Just a note on words:
>>> >>5. At-Large Structures
>>> >
>>> >I believe this clumsy expression should be dropped and
>>> >"user organization" should be used instead. If an "At Large
>>> >Structure" is not a user organization, it should not be
>>> >in the At Large Advisory Committee in the first place.
>>>
>>>I guess they wanted to make it clear that, at least for now, groups
>>>that are not formally incorporated under the law (eg ourselves!) can
>>>still be included. Of course, apart from the name, this will be a
>>>matter for deeper discussion: should the "criteria for admission"
>>>require formal incorporation? I don't think so, as long as the group
>>>can prove its consistency and real activities.
>>>--
>>>vb. [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<------
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