Re: [atlarge-discuss] Question 2 for Jamie

[Joop Teernstra <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>]

On 11:32 a.m. 28/07/2002 +0200, Thomas Roessler said:
>On 2002-07-28 16:36:23 +1200, Joop Teernstra wrote:
>
>>I have made the website for the whole membership, not for the
>>interim Panel to control,
>
>May I remind you that the current panel was _elected_?  May I also
>remind you that you were not elected?

I have been ready to carry out the democratic wishes of the Panel with 
regards to content. Pray tell where *the Panel* has expressed specific 
wishes with regards to content and where I have not followed majority wishes.

The Panel was elected to prepare the ground for more permanent  elections. 
Instead Vittorio, like you, was more concerned with website key control, 
that would have enabled him to steer the next elections.
I am not accusing him of intending to do that, but why should I take the 
risk, if such direct control was outside his mandate anyway?
(Vittorio now took care to write "direct control" in his "rules' for the 
new Panel)



>>An undemocratic Chair with 2 supporters and silence of the other
>>Panel members is not sufficient.
>
>Decides who?  Joop Teernstra, the self-appointed "Supreme Court" of
>this effort?

Handing over the keys is a decision that can only be made by the person who 
holds the keys.
It is a damned-if-you do, damned-if-you don't responsibility that I like to 
hand over.  But not by caving in to bullying.

In this case I want to make sure that the whole membership  is aware of the 
lack of explicit Panel support , the circumstances of the request and the 
appropriateness of it just before an election.

I *did* have to determine what was a legitimate instruction from the Panel 
Chair and what wasn't.
Whoever will be the webmaster will always have to determine that.

>>Vittorio has tried to foist highly undemocratic Panel Rules on us. A 
>>minority quorum. Near automatic Chairmanship. A 2 day voting
>>period on the Panel. These "rules" are not acceptable.
>
>Judging the procedures by which the panel chooses to operate is none of 
>your business.

It is all the members' business, mine included.  Especially at election time.
The members  have to agree to those procedures.


>>I will immeditately hand over the website keys to whoever a
>>majority of the new panel will designate. A transparent and clear
>>majority. I will call for new volunteer webmasters myself and the Panel 
>>can make the selection. For the moment, it is me who has the monkey on 
>>his back.
>
>These are the same promises you made when the current panel was
>elected.

Are you saying that I should have used the announce list to make the call 
for a new webmaster myself? Do you think a new webmaster would be in place 
now?  Nobody has volunteered.

>  They weren't worth a dime.

For those who hoped for an undemocratic shortcut to "control". Sorry pal. 
Sorry that I saw in time that you were behind that hosting offer of 
fitug.de . I understand your frustration.

>  But I suppose we're going to
>hear them again when the new panel is elected.

Yep. I'm sick of this job and all the accusations that come with it.



--Joop Teernstra LL.M.--
   initial webmaster
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