RE: [atlarge-discuss] Challenge from Ross Rader

[Joanna Lane <jo-uk@rcn.com>]

I support Bruce's suggestion to have a page on our website entitled "why
participation is important" (or words to that effect). Any member can create
it. Bruce, are you be willing take the lead in this initiative?

Regards,
Joanna

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruce Young [mailto:Bruce@barelyadequate.info]
> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 9:00 PM
> To: At-Large Discussion List (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: [atlarge-discuss] Challenge from Ross Rader
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> Awesome, Judith!  It just kept getting better and better!
>
> Folks, this deserves to be quoted on a "Why individual participation is
> important" page on our Web site, with a link on page one!
>
> Bruce Young
> Portland, Oregon
> Bruce@barelyadequate.info
> http://www.barelyadequate.info
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Judith Oppenheimer [mailto:joppenheimer@icbtollfree.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 7:01 PM
> To: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de; ross@byte.org; Panel (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: [atlarge-discuss] Challenge from Ross Rader
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>
> Re "individual participation" in ICANN - So many reasons, so little time,
> so here are just a few (courtesy of ICB Toll Free News archives):
>
>
> Because "A major implication of the Internet model is that value is not
> created in the network, but at the edges, by users."
> Timothy Denton, with François Ménard and David Isenberg, Netheads Versus
> Bellheads:  Research into Emerging Policy Issues in the Development and
> Deployment of Internet Protocols
>
>
> Because "control of the root is being leveraged to control the Internet
> itself in such key areas as trademark and copyright protection,
> surveillance of users, content regulation, and regulation of the domain
> name supply industry."
> Milton Mueller, Ruling the Root: Internet Governance and the Taming of
> Cyberspace
>
>
> Because "ICANN has the potential to turn into the first world regulatory
> body. By beginning to associate top level domains with content usage, they
> are putting themselves into the position of being the defacto arbiter of
> content. This is in addition to what territory that they can grab in the
> intellectual property world along with WIPO. If all else fails, they can
> always play games with protocol standards and IP address allocation. I
> suspect that most people have no clue what this issue is all about, nor
> care. Remember that Mussolini started with the trains....  There's an old
> adage about only giving power to those who don't want it.... If
> we're going
> to have a world government, then I want a revolution first.
> Preferably with
> some historic event like throwing all the T-1s into Boston harbor. These
> people are enacting policy, cutting deals with large technology companies
> and signing things that look suspiciously like treaties with governments
> and quasi government groups (some of dubious legitimacy).... I went to
> school with one of the students killed at Kent State, worked for an
> military/intelligence agency in my youth and watched as the last
> administration passed wind while leaving the white house. I never felt
> paranoia before. I do now."
> David Holtzman, Chairman and CEO of Opion Inc. and former Chief Technology
> Officer at Network Solutions, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A WORLD
> GOVT, I WANT A
> REVOLUTION FIRST.
>
>
> Because "icann is more interested in, and totally focused on, arranging
> power rather than providing simple stewardship and service. icann is
> brilliant at rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic. the problem is
> they have the internet on board."
> Randy Bush (characterized, for those who don't know him, by Dave
> Farber, as
> "brutally rational.")
>
>
> Because "The board of ICANN shouldn´t consist of people with direct
> commercial interests such as registrar/registry function. ICANN
> needs to be
> able to make decisions in the interest of the internet users and
> the global
> information space, the internet. There needs to be a balance between
> commercial and public use of this infrastructure and the board
> must consist
> of people who think about the impact of the decisions for the
> communication
> culture and space, not only on their own business."
> Andy Mueller-Maguhn, elected ICANN Director
>
>
> Because "We're not so stupid that we don't see what ICANN is doing, which
> is establishing absolute power, free from any of the checks and
> balances of
> government."
> Brian Livingston, Contributing Editor of InfoWorld and CNET News.com
>
>
> Because "The UDRP walks and quacks like law. It sets out a rule for
> deciding between competing claims to possession of particular
> resources. It
> sets up a process to apply that rule on a case-by-case basis. And it is
> binding upon those in possession of the resource in question; in the event
> of an adverse ruling, the domain name holder will relinquish possession of
> the contested domain name."
> David G. Post, Associate Professor of Law at Temple University Law School,
> and Co-Founder and Co-Director of the Cyberspace Law Institute.
>
>
> Because "Someday we may look back and realize that this moment
> was critical
> in deciding who got to control this new form of global communication."
> Steven Hill, western regional director of the Center for Voting and
> Democracy
>
>
> Because "In my research of Internet policy over the years, I've had the
> pleasure of reading numerous court orders, FCC notices, and other official
> government documents. These works are impressive historic documents that
> exhaustively consider every point raised by all sides, bring in the
> background that applies to each point, and carefully lay out the reasoning
> that leads to a final decision. Nothing like this appears in ICANN public
> documents. They are terse bulletins that list decisions made and brief
> technical justifications.... Many non-profit organizations let
> members vote
> on by-law changes, examine accounting books, and so forth. If
> ICANN members
> were allowed to elect its Board, they'd have the same rights.
> Andy Oram, an editor at O'Reilly & Associates
>
>
> Because “ICANN is establishing Internet policy ... It becomes problematic
> if it makes policy judgments without adequate policy processes.”
> Rep. Ed Markey, D-Mass
>
>
> Because "The most critical public policy issue affecting the Internet
> remains the same - namely, its governance... ICANN’s legal authority for
> “technical management of the Internet” (in ICANN’s own words) remains in
> doubt. A connected issue is ICANN’s ability to finance its operations."
> David W. Maher, Vice President - Public Policy, ISOC
>
>
> Because ""When ICANN was in serious trouble in 1998 and 1999,
> they promised
> open elections for all... The Internet Community relied on their word. But
> once Congress and Commerce seemed satisfied and NSI was brought into the
> fold, ICANN began a full reversal of their original stance."
> Mikki Barry, President of the Domain Name Rights Coalition
>
>
> Because, Ross, "The essence of ICANN’s problem is the disproportionate
> attention which is being given inside the working groups, and,
> increasingly
> outside, in private conferences, to the pretensions of the IP
> community ...
> on grounds that we and our Internet users consider to be dubious and, in
> some cases, in outright error ... as to policy as regards the future
> direction of the Internet... What we are actually observing in the saga of
> domain name expansion is a power-grab of major proportions over the
> architecture of the Internet, using ICANN not so much as a representative
> forum for IP interests as the embodimenet of IP lawyers’ interests.
>  ... that we are in fact acceding to a takeover of the political processes
> of ICANN by a set of interests that oppose what the Internet stands for."
> Ross Wm. Rader, Tucows
>
>
> Because "... Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just
> Powers from the Consent of the Governed"
>
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> > > >From Ross Rader's byte.org blog:
> > >
> > > "I asked the question a week ago, but still don't "get" the
> > answers. A few
> > > people included me in a thread going on over on the
> > at-large discussion list
> > > regarding what the arguments for and against individual
> > participation in
> > > ICANN actually are. The answers coming back weren't all
> > that convincing - all
> > > I managed to take away was that users are entitled to a
> > seat because they use
> > > the system. Not terribly convincing. Convince me."
> > >
> > >
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