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RE: [atlarge-discuss] Short-term goals
Chris, you obviously have a good grasp of the requirements necessary to get
us legal NGO status. Would you be willing to join a Working Group to make
this happen? It would also be advantageous if one of our panel members with
the requisite background chose to join you and chair it (hint! hint!).
Jefsey, I know this interests you, but getting our DNS issues unscrambled is
equally important, and while I'm sure we'll eauisly find interested folks to
wourk our NGO status out, I imagine there are few active folks as qualified
as you to get the DNS job done!
Bruce Young
Portland, Oregon USA
bruce@barelyadequate.info
http://www.barelyadequate.info
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| -----Original Message-----
| From: NameCritic [mailto:chris1@telnor.net]
| Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 1:02 PM
| To: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
| Cc: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin
| Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Short-term goals
|
|
| My comments are below each of your paragraphs here.
|
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin" <jefsey@club-internet.fr>
| To: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
| Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 6:45 AM
| Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Short-term goals
|
|
| > On 14:26 28/09/02, NameCritic said:
| > >Since the bylaws define our purpose and the structure under
| which we will
| > >operate, this should be the #1 priority for us or for the
| panel. Is there
| > >already a panel or committee working on it?
| >
| > Not necessarily a #1 priority. I think #1 priority is to live
| together and
| > see how it works, so not to commit yet to final structures. This is the
| > first time ever that a significant number of people not knowing each
| other,
| > from every part of the earth, from every cultures, attempt to
| create some
| > organization together on a peer to peer basis, in a still
| top-own/bottom-up
| > outdated confrontation environment.
|
| That's part of forming any type of organization. The people
| involved need to
| get along and all be working toward the same goals, that of the
| organization, setting aside personal agendas.
|
| >
| > I feel the first thing to do is to avoid to speak of specific forms,
| > country, etc. for the global organization. What we can
| certainly do - and
| > this is what we did with the Panel - is to agree upon a common
| Secretariat
| > structure: we live in a real world.
|
| And in the real world you must have a mission statement and
| bylaws in order
| to operate effectively. With a mission statement or statement of purpose
| everyone, including potential donors know exactly what we are all about.
| With bylaws the membership and potential donors know that we have a
| structured way of operating. Rules are always needed in any structure.
|
| >
| > We have several attempted experiences to take advantage from.
| IDNO tried
| > and though about Tonga or other small non committing States. TLDA tried
| and
| > went the US way, what turned to be very slow and a poor
| current situation.
| > USG tried another way with ICANN and California. Not a
| success. What I see
| > is that there are four stable experiences: (a) NGO and International
| > status, not our cup of tea right now (b) European associations
| (Belgium,
| > France, Luxembourg) for light non-profit (c) Switzerland, some
| > Central-America and off-shore Trusts for businesses and large
| non-profit
| > (d) canonic law of the Roman Church, not our cup of tea but a lof of
| > experience in supported diversity, globality and duration...a
| keyworkd I
| > always remembered, they have no "chair" (only the Pope): they have
| > "moderators", what someone translated very well at the DNSO
| WG-Review as
| > "stewart" - showing that Scotts are level with Romans in terms of
| > organizing networks.
|
| >
| > IMHO this incorporation is not a big deal: I have incorporated several
| > organizations in France I manage quite alone under the control
| of friendly
| > coopted BoDs (world@wide foundation, SIAT created in 1978
| which supported
| > most of the public international network documentations and
| international
| > users at a time). The real thing is a name, a banking account,
| a financial
| > control (ie at least three Treasurers and a public reporting) and a BoD
| > motion system. Our organization is like a political party: we
| will never -
| > and we do not want - prevent anyone from doing what he wants. Any
| > organization with a "Chair" will fail. What we need is a
| catalysis, we may
| > accept Moderators/Stewarts. This is to be provided by the
| Panel. All the
| > Panel needs is a Secretariat.
|
| IMHO, fundraising for a foreign corporation or association is
| more difficult
| than one in the US. I don't have a personal preference of where
| it would be
| filed, but the fact is most users are in the US. Most potential
| donors are
| in the US. They are set up to approve donations to charities and
| organizations that have the specific 501C-3 status and according to their
| own set policies cannot donate funds to any other type of
| organization. Send
| a funding request to any US corporation and they will request your 501C-3
| information before they can donate any money. With a 501C-3 we may also
| qualify for grants that again specifically state that you must
| be a 501C-3.
| That's what ICANN did and for a good reason.
|
| I'm not saying it cannot be done in a foriegn country, just
| saying we need
| to qualify for funding from anyone and 501C-3 is the most
| accepted standard.
| To have one, we have to have articles of incorporation and
| bylaws and a BoD.
| Different states have different rules as to how the BoD is structured but
| all require the Articles and bylaws.
|
| I am not familiar with foreign corporations, just looking at the
| future and
| see the future needs money. In order to get it we need to be
| structured in
| some way that is acceptable to the largest group of potential donors and
| grant givers.
|
|
| Chris McElroy aka NameCritic
|
|
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