Re: [atlarge-discuss] WG-OUTREACH 003 - Update and Action List

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Danny and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,

DannyYounger@cs.com wrote:

> Richard,
>
> Why should anyone want to join an organization that does nothing?

  Does nothing?  Well I guess that depends on what you mean by
does nothing.  Sure, we are now engaged and have been for too long,
in internal house keeping chores that should have been accomplished
with the first Panel.  But I would not characterize this fledgling
organization as doing nothing Danny...

>
>
> A legitimate user organization works to solve user concerns.  This group has
> not even discussed any user issues, let alone proposed any possible
> solutions.  When was the last time that anyone on this list started a
> sustained discussion on:
>
> transfers

  Not often but a number of discussions have been done on this subject
area on this forum.

>
> deletes

  Only discussed a few times...

>
> UDRP

  Only discussed a few times in any detail..

>
> sales of bulk WHOIS data

  Discussed at some length on this forum.

>
> privacy

Discussed at some length on this forum, but not very recently.

>
> escrow

  ???  of what?

>
> collisions in namespace

Discussed at some length on this forum.

>
> Internationalized domain names

  To my knowledge, this is and area that has yet to be explored by this
organization.

>
> abusive registrar practices

Discussed a few times on this forum.

>
> namespace differentiation

Discussed a few times on this forum.

>
> new gTLD evaluation

Discussed a few times on this forum.

>
> hoarding/warehousing

Discussed at some length on this forum.

>
> the lack of Code of Conduct industry guidelines

  Never discussed to my knowledge.

>
> registry-level competition

Also never discussed on this forum.

>
> policy formulation procedures

Discussed at some length on this forum.

>
>
> At the moment, there are at least three different Task Forces requesting
> comments on user issues:  WHOIS, transfers, and deletes.  Will this
> organization provide any commentary to actually help solve the user issues
> being considered by these task forces?

  Those ICANN task forces are a farce, and you know they are Danny
as you have stated such yourself on the DNSO GA.  None the less,
we should have a unified position on each of these public "Black Hole"
comment request E-Mail addresses for these skewed ICANN Task Forces..

>  Of course not.  Instead it will
> continue to portray itself as a champion of the user without ever doing a
> damn thing to actually help solve the user problems of the moment.  Every
> day, this group reminds me more and more of the IDNO that claimed to
> represent individual domain name holders but never did a single thing to
> address their issues and concerns.

  I must admit that there is some correlation to the IDNO in this
organizations activities so far.  I am hoping that will change.

>
>
> All of this talk about outreach is far too premature.  You have to give
> people something of value if you want to entice them to join.  So far, I see
> nothing of value... no discussion papers, no recommendations, no letters to
> ICANN, no letters to the Department of Commerce, no correspondence with the
> GAC, no dialogue or interaction with the ERC, no results from any working
> groups, no dedicated working group lists, no bylaws, no proposed solutions to
> any user problems... in short, no real reason to join.

  Than why are you on this forum Danny?  What is your purpose here?

>
>
> As a user, I am looking for a group that offers the reasonable prospect of
> delivering results by providing real solutions to real problems.  In my
> opinion, that isn't happening here.  Perhaps you can manage to turn things
> around, but I, for one, am getting very tired of waiting for results that
> never seem to materialize.

  Than participate in helping to create those results instead of complaining
about this organization.  People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones,
Danny...

>
>
>

Regards,
--
Jeffrey A. Williams
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