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Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 10:55:49 -0800
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
To: <fuddle@canada.com>
Cc: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 10:03 PM
Subject: [atlarge-discuss] fuddle@canada.com <--- Unknown person, is not and
INEGroup member was:Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: FC: Nancy Carter, who is suing
Canadian ISP, replies to Politech


> Tim, Ted or whomever this is, and all stakeholders or other interested
parties
> and members,
>
>   Yes we sure did.  As whomever you are, you are not a member of INEGRoup.
> INEG. INC is my company and you certainly are not an employee.  The
archives
> from myself clearly show that.  I cut off discussing whomever you really
are
> tim or ted, or whomever some time ago.  You than added several other
> posts requesting me to respond and asking for information, which I did
> not respond purposefully.  As I am one of 5 INEGroup members
> that has access to the master list of all INEGroup members, you whomever
> you are, are not amongst them.
>
> fuddle@canada.com wrote:
>
> > Hello Jeff, listreaders and stakeholders,
> >
> > First of all, I am a member of INEGroup.  I joined the
> > Canadian chapter of INEG a couple of weeks ago.  If you
> > remember, we had a discussion on this list (see
> > archives for details).
> >
> > Second of all, if INEGroup has over 127,000 members, do
> > you know them all PERSONALLY?  INEGroup is an
> > international organization with chapters all over the
> > world.  Seriously, you can't claim to know if I am a
> > member or not.
> >
> > Thirdly, I will provide proof of my membership in INEG
> > to anyone who requests it (off-list of course).
> >
> > And in the meantime, as a member of INEGroup, I will
> > speak my opinion freely on this list.  It is my right
> > as an INEG member.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > On Thu, 07 Nov 2002, Jeff Williams wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > All atakeholders or other interested parties and
> > members,
> > >
> > >   This entity whatever or whomever it/he/she really
> > is, is NOT a INEGroup member..
> > >
> > > fuddle@canada.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello Judith,
> > > >
> > > > As a new member of INEGroup, I must say that I
> > > disagree
> > > > with our spokeman on this one.  The views that
> > Judith
> > > > has expressed for the most part do not concern me.
> > > > Although, he does sometimes make some good points,
> > > this
> > > > Ineg member does not agree with Jeff Williams on
> > this
> > > > issue.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > >
> > > > Tim.
> > > >
> > > > expresso@e-scape.net wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear all,
> > > > >
> > > > > Without labouring the point, I'd just like to
> > > clarify
> > > > > for the Nth time
> > > > > that I am quite content to let others decide what
> > > they
> > > > > think of what I say.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, Jeff seems to labour under some kind of
> > > > > misapprehension or prejudice about me, and has
> > added
> > > > > people to the distribution list of his message who
> > > may
> > > > > not have any prior knowledge of ICANNATLARGE.ORG
> > so
> > > > > here goes:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. I am not and never have been interested in
> > > running
> > > > > for Secretary of ICANNATLARGE.ORG, nor have I
> > posted
> > > > > anything to say I wanted to do so in the future.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. I did offer to act as recording secretary of
> > the
> > > > > Outreach Working Group and Jefsey Morfin put my
> > name
> > > > on
> > > > > the subscription page of the WG-Outreach mailing
> > > list.
> > > > > Jeff Williams, who is also in that working group,
> > > > > objected and demanded that the position be
> > elective
> > > > > instead. I expressed my willingness to go along
> > with
> > > > > whatever the group wanted but nothing more has
> > been
> > > > > said about it. You can read about that in the list
> > > > > archives for both [atlarge-discuss] and
> > > [wg-outreach].
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. I am not now and never have been counted as
> > part
> > > of
> > > > > the IT industry (I'm a freelance writer, editor
> > and
> > > > > translator with an interest in the world around
> > me).
> > > > > Whatever Jeff or any other individual may think of
> > > my
> > > > > opinions, political or otherwise, is up to them.
> > > > >   However, I have the right -- as everyone does --
> > > to
> > > > > express my opinions and let them be judged by my
> > > > peers.
> > > > > Personally, I do not consider a person who
> > > > > misrepresents what I say and accuses me of what I
> > > have
> > > > > not done is one of my peers.
> > > > >
> > > > > I do sometimes wish Jeff would let the 127,000+
> > > > members
> > > > > of his INEGroup speak for themselves. Since I've
> > > never
> > > > > heard from any of them, I tend to wonder whether
> > > their
> > > > > objections to my existence are as fervent as
> > Jeff's.
> > > > >
> > > > > I also wonder that the "users/stakeholders" he
> > > refers
> > > > > to wouldn't realize that each of them could join
> > > > > ICANNATLARGE.ORG and together vote to expel me
> > from
> > > > the
> > > > > membership for voicing opinions they don't seem to
> > > > > like. I myself am not a "stakeholder" in any
> > company
> > > > --
> > > > > just an individual Internet user amongst the 1000+
> > > who
> > > > > have chosen to join ICANNATLARGE.ORG and try to do
> > > > > something useful -- so I presume they could do
> > that
> > > if
> > > > > they wanted to.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Judyth
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > At 12:14 -0800 2002/11/07, Jeff Williams wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >Nancy and all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  Nancy, you comments/observations and statements
> > > > > below adequately
> > > > > >address or correct Judyth's errant and grossly
> > > > > mistaken remarks in her
> > > > > >previous response on this thread.  I also as you
> > > > know,
> > > > > attempted to
> > > > > >steer Judyth in the right direction.  However her
> > > > > contentions and
> > > > > >observations were and do, although wrongly
> > reflect
> > > a
> > > > > political
> > > > > >diatribe that is present in the IT segment of the
> > > > > world today.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  What actually concerns me and our [INEGroup]
> > > > members
> > > > > >and as I understand it, many other
> > > > stakeholders/users,
> > > > > is that
> > > > > >Judyth is seeking a secretariat position for a
> > new
> > > > > fledgling
> > > > > >organization, ICANNATLARGE.ORG which is
> > purporting
> > > > > >to represent any and all interested
> > > stakeholder/users
> > > > > of the
> > > > > >Internet.  With Judyth's expressed comments which
> > > you
> > > > > included
> > > > > >below, it would seem that such a diatribe or
> > > > political
> > > > > ideology
> > > > > >as she expressed is contrary to the desires of
> > many
> > > > > stakeholders/users.
> > > > > >Hence my obvious concern...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > ##########################################################
> > > > > Judyth Mermelstein     "cogito ergo lego ergo
> > > > cogito..."
> > > > > Montreal, QC           <espresso@e-scape.net>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > ##########################################################
> > > > > "A word to the wise is sufficient. For others, use
> > > > > more."
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > ##########################################################
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
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> > > > Enjoy the silence!
> > > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > --
> > > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > > Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 127k
> > > members/stakeholders strong!)
> > > CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA
> > > Development Eng.
> > > Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> > > E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
> > > Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 972-244-3801
> > > Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
> > >
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>
> Regards,
> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
> Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 127k members/stakeholders strong!)
> CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
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