Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [wg-bylaws] Re: [atlarge-panel] votes about to be called

["Ron Sherwood" <sherwood@islands.vi>]

Good morning, Walter:

    I can understand your frustration but I believe it is rooted in the
total failure of our attempt to be all things to all people.  The decision
to stay within the ICANN structure (top-down) or to endeavor to represent
the grass roots (bottom-up) is so fundamental that we must make a choice.
There is no reason why the membership cannot participate in one or the other
or both of two separate organizations with these opposing views.  Nor is
there any reason why two organizations cannot coordinate their goals and
work closely together... But, I cannot see any way that we can realistically
accommodate the wishes of these two diametrically opposed constituencies,
and still democratically vote on anything.  Especially since the ICANN based
group is specifically in favor of a top-down structure (RALOs) and
specifically opposed to any purely democratic grass roots initiative that
does not fit within this framework.

Ron Sherwood


----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Schmidt" <walts@dorsai.org>
To: "DPF" <david@farrar.com>
Cc: "Richard Henderson" <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>;
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Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [wg-bylaws] Re: [atlarge-panel] votes
about to be called


> On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, DPF wrote:
>
> > While I am keen to make progress I agree with Richard that the
> > membership should vote on this fundamental issue firstly as it will
> > affect most other things.
> >
> > I think the key decision is whether or not to join ICANN's ALSO
> > through the RALOs or stay totally outside as a pressure group etc.
> >
>
>    ...I tire of this - I did not bother to streamline the addressees
>
> One last time - trying one last analogy...
>
> Let's say we wanted to politically represent the USA. There is no way in
> heck that we would attempt to do so with just ONE political party.
>
> Now, we are suggesting we will represent all (of the world's) atlarge
> internet users - and in doing so we are trying to PICK ONE POINT OF VIEW
> and we seem to expect that to work.
>
> NO WAY!!!!
>
> As example - there will those of us who believe we should join ICANN's
> ALSO through the RALOs, and there will be those of us who believe we
> should stay totally outside as a pressure group etc.
>
> WE MUST ACCOMMODATE ALL POINTS OF VIEW, or in reality we will never
> represent the ATLARGE.
>
> So what do we do - we develop a mission statement that is all inclusive -
> and we've done that already several times over - we write bylaws to be all
> inclusive - and we move forward.
>
> And, if YOU feel so strongly about a particular issue that being on our
> pro or con issue committee is not enough - then you can form your own
> organization that is comprised only of the PROs or the CONs.
>
> Do we want to represent the ATLARGE we all its diversities, or do we want
> to represent the atlarge who only think a certain way...
>
> I am of the mind that the more outspoken of us really do not want us to
> represent ALL the ATLARGE - just those of a singular opinion...
>
> And therein is the rub - and that is a pity. Instead of asking what the
> majority of us want - we should be asking who will Chair and join the PROs
> and who will Chair and join the CONs...and thereby provide representation
> of us all.
>
>
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