Re: [atlarge-discuss] Questions for all candidates

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Abel and all fellow members,

 Excellent comments and remarks here Abel. Well done!

Abel Wisman wrote:

> I have not known of any elections, except rigged ones, where nominees
> upfront reacehd consensus about the very tasks ahead of them.
> In these (as usual leading) qeustions you do not ask nominees/candidates
> their opinion but to agree to rules you make up before you stand for
> election, making it a ground for acceptance.
>
> With the same rights all candidates can "ask" you to abandon your
> incannatlarge.com before you stand, utter nonsense.
>
> One is a candidate on ones own firm believes, and thus representing the
> people that think alike or have sympathy for those ideas, thus
> representing them in the panel.
> Once all those views are represented in a panel, the panel tries to work
> at its best ability to create results stemming from the mandate given.
> If the panel feels that the mandate is insufficient, the panel turns to
> the members on the topic in question and asks for input.
>
> The panel should at all times get on any internal vote, 11 votes,
> whether they are abstension, sick-notes or whatever, all votes should be
> accounted for and a minimum of 6 votes is needed for a majority in the
> panel.
>
> What to do in case panel members resign, or are in other ways unable to
> vote is a matter that should be handled in the first discussion among
> the panel members in whatever way that takes place.
> It should certainly not be part of a resignation before even starting,
> that way the voting and panel could be rigged to sabotage in no time and
> bring us in the almost same position as we are in now.
>
> The term of this panel is initially 12 months, as announced and agreed
> by a majority, if silent.
> To even think that the election in this stage can be changed to a very
> very interim panel with an even shorter time then the first panel for
> setting up elections and writing the rules to that, with input from the
> complete membership is a farce.
> There are more things to do, like proposing incorporation, which in my
> opinion is an integral part of setting up elections rules since these
> rules should be part of the foundation of the incorporation.
> If the panel then agrees that her mandate is fulfilled, the panel can
> choose to ask the membership for a further mandate (with proposals
> included) or call for new elections. Setting a (probably to short) time
> frame on the tasks ahead upfront would most likeley make for either
> sloppy work or no time for finding a consensus among the membership.
>
> On the ballot for this panel several questions will be asked and those
> questions will be a lead for the panel and all panel members undoubtedly
> will defend the people that voted for them in getting the the most
> consensus carrying results, any prior polling was interesting but bares
> no hold to the panel members elected, only that wat will be asked of
> them by the people voting for them and that what is part of the ballot,
> of which we do not know the outcome.
> It may well be that several candidates can not live with the outcome of
> those questions on the ballot, a problem not even touched, but real
> nonetheless.
>
> Joop, making demands on other candidates a base for your decision to run
> is the least viable of all reasons to run at all.
> If you demand that your agenda is followed by the new panel we might as
> well skip the election and let you run this organization from now on,
> which was not something that was voted on, but then again, accepting
> your "terms" would be that vote. The entire voting process would be moot
> in that case, flaws and all.
>
> Regards
>
> Abel
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joop Teernstra [mailto:terastra@terabytz.co.nz]
> > Sent: 12 May 2003 23:23
> > To: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> > Cc: gilbert.lumantao@mailcity.com; alnajjar@any-dns.com;
> > ivonnemunoz@arachnis.net
> > Subject: [atlarge-discuss] Questions for all candidates
> > Importance: High
> >
> >
> > There are only 2 days left until "acceptance day".
> >
> > It is essential that some kind of consensus will exist among
> > the members of
> > what is going to be "the Panel" about number of panelists,
> > quorum , mandate
> > and agenda.
> >
> > If such internal agreement does not exist, there is no hope
> > for a properly
> > functioning Panel and I certainly do not want to be part of it.
> >
> > Will you agree:
> >
> > 0. that nominees who have not been seconded cannot stand for election.
> >
> > 1. to maintain  the quorum for any decisions at 7 (as long as
> > there are 11
> > elected)
> > 2. to resign when there is no reasonable expectation that a
> > quorum can  be
> > reached
> > 3. to limit the term of this initial 11 member panel to 3
> > months 4. to limit the mandate to the writing of election
> > rules and subsequent
> > holding of elections for a Polling- or Electoral commission
> > first? 5. to follow the wishes of the members, as expressed
> > in various polls, with
> > regards to structuring the icannatlarge.
> >
> > Your answers (here on this list or in the Forum
> > http://www.icannatlarge.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=22 )  will
> > help my own
> > decision with regards to standing in this flawed election.
> >
> >
> > -joop-
> >
> >
> >
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