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Re: [atlarge-discuss] $1 verification.

Yes, indeed you were one of the folks from this list who spoke to me on the telephone (not the only), and yes, indeed I was Karl's lawyer in his rather successful lawsuit against ICANN. (I do not assume that most here know that, and it wasn't especially relevant to my initial point anyway; though it would be pretty funny if, for example, I asked Louis Touton to verify my reality, he knows it all too well.)

I did not mean to suggest that all forms of digital verification are invalid, and at the same time, I fully recognize that not all here could get someone such as Karl to vouch for their bona fides as a real person. My purpose only was to express a concern over what I have been reading about using digital to the exclusion of analog. I suggest only that whatever is best in the particular circumstance should be allowed.

At 10:54 PM 5/24/2003 -0700, Jeff Williams wrote:
James T., and all fellow members,

As you perhaps recall I called you on the phone and we had a
very nice and informative chat regarding Karl's legal action against
ICANN and some of the results that you were willing to share with me.
So I can couch for you being a real person! >:) I also agree with you
that Pay Pal in particulars a very poor and invalid means to identify
an individual as actually existing or being whom they say they are.
Your right that Credit card fraud is too easy and is also at an all time
high according to the FTC.

But I would also disagree that all/any digital forms of validation are not
adequate in a digital world. Sure I would also agree that face to face
meetings for validation purposes is a better method usually, but not always.
For instance when I was assigned long ago now while serving in the
USMC, to work in NIS (Navel Intelligence Service) I was provided
very good false identification documents (Passport, Drivers License,
Several credit cards, ect. ) and was never questioned as to those
documents authenticity when ask to present them on many occasions.


James S. Tyre wrote:

> At 10:46 PM 5/24/2003 -0400, Micheal Sherreill wrote:
> >There are many avenues to pursue regarding verification of
> >members. PayPal would seem to be a quick and easy (read cheap) way to
> >prove certification as a real, and answerable, human. One lets PayPal do
> >all the bookwork and for US$1 the signature is assured. If it is good
> >enough for the credit card companies it is good enough for me.
>
> I don't disagree that some form of verification is necessary, but your last
> sentence scares me, Michael, defrauding the credit card companies is easy.
>
> But more than that, I would hate to see this group become too enamored of
> technological means of verification. Using myself as an example only to
> make a point, not for any other reason, there are a number of members of
> this list who have called me at the phone number in my sig file, have
> spoken with me directly at length. Is that not more reliable than
> PayPal? If not, there are a number of persons whose demonstrated
> commitment to relevant Internet issues cannot possibly be questioned who
> know me well personally, would gladly vouch for me if I asked. Would that
> not be far more significant than PayPal (which I refuse to use for a number
> of reasons)?
>
> I'm guessing (though I could be wrong) that Michael remembers who I am (and
> it doesn't really matter for now anyway, I'm not running for election),
> even though for good but personal reasons, I haven't posted here in
> ages. My sole point is that verification by trusted humans is, IMO, far
> better than any technological means, so let's not forget that if/when we
> get to the point of deciding what does or doesn't count as valid verification.

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