RE: [atlarge-discuss] Provisional Membership Committee

["Micheal Sherrill" <micheal@beethoven.com>]

Hello Abel:

Thank you for the insight.  However, what is important is the method and time and trouble and collusion needed to provide multiple accounts.  This only supports my argument.  You only spoofed one account.  How many friends/family members can one cajole for PayPal accounts to get enough votes to swing an election?  Is it worth it?

Besides, no one said this method was perfect.  What we were saying is that there has to be a certain point that we begin to filter the spooks and the kooks from this group so that we reduce the risk of a takeover.  I think we are amenable to several methods of verification.  This is only one of the first ways that we need to start parsing the crazies from the coherent.

Regards,


Micheal Sherrill


---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Abel Wisman" <abel@able-towers.com>
Reply-To: <abel@able-towers.com>
Date:  Mon, 2 Jun 2003 03:51:33 +0100

Michael, 

When I moved out to the USA to live there, I had of course no longer a
cc from my old bank, nor was it easy to establlish a new one with my new
bank, I was given the card of a friend/family member to use and with
htat card registered a personal, meaning under my email, paypal account.

The name and address of that account, which to day I still use, beit
that I changed the bank and card data long since, have never resembled
the card used.
The address was changed while the owner of the card lived on the old
address (which was never mine to begin with) and my delivery address was
!= to the card address.

Stolen cc's are just as big a problem on paypal as they are with any
merchant account, I just had a reversal which nowadays is also charged
at $ 10 by paypal (this used to be free)while all data was fully
confirmed, for us it would mean that verification would have been made,
since the money is paid back, the chargeback will never occur and no one
will ever know that a stolen card was used.

Stolen cards and the corresponding data are freely available for any
savvy internet user. The cc companies do nothing to stop this as long as
it remains more then profitable for them, which at this moment in time
it is.

Henceforth we can safely conclude that any verification method involving
paypal or credit cards is not a safe bet.

Copy of a drivers license (used only with very strict restrictions on
the receiving end and never to be disclosed to the full membership) or
passport (same) along with a preferably public phonenumber, website,
email, history, company data and or like in my case a secure certificate
and such more can lead to almost being sure whether people are who they
say they are. In no case will the method used be alike, therefore we can
not yet use any method to verify the membership.
Bank tranfers, cheques etc are way to expensive internationally to evern
contemplate using them.

In the end it will boild down to sending snailmail to people as well as
a combination of other things or in the very end a atlarge web of trust.
Once guidelines have been set for people in that web of trust on how to
verify other members, (pop over and show me your drivers license or
passport and two pieces of official mail to your current address) we
will always have some form of risk.
I propose that those that are verified beyond doubt can be the first web
of trust verifiers once everyone agrees on the method.

abel



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