Re: [atlarge-discuss] [Fwd: Re: [Panel] Proposal for agenda]

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Ron and all fellow members,

  Perhaps you don't understand Ron your comments in this regard
have no value to Lord Sotiris.  He is the Membership Committee
chair because as a Lord he has ordained it so.  No further
discourse is of value or of interest.  Lord Sotiris of Pay Pal
says this is so, and so it is so!


Ron Sherwood wrote:

> Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:
> > I have a real problem with this motion. 1) I do not think it's necessary
> > to appoint a chair of the verification committee, it can rotate just as
> > on the panel. 2) I don't think it's the membership's wish that the Panel
> > appoint any Chairs of any committees 3) the verification of the panel
> > Members must take place by the Provisional Membership Committee now
> > forming before ANY of the mothions can be voted upon.
>
> Good evening, Sotiris:
>
> May I address your numbered points above.
>
> 1) It is my experience that any committee should have a chairperson. Someone
> to keep discussion on topic, maintain order, keep member tasks to a time
> line and to report on behalf of the committee.  It is a simple, proven,
> efficient method of keeping things on track and on time.  The Chairperson is
> also the contact person for anyone wishing to interact with the committee.
> The committee should choose its own chairperson.
>
> 2) I agree. I do not think it is the membership wish that the Panel appoints
> any committee chairs.  In this case, your point would be valid only if every
> member of the committee, was a member of the Panel.  That should not be the
> case, and the committee should choose its own chairperson.  Any committee
> member may propose such a person and the committee will vote on the issue.
>
> 3) I agree that all Panel members should be verified by a membership
> committee that consists of verified members, but I don't why the unverified
> "applicants" for a place on your committee, MUST be a part of the Panel
> verification process.
>
> Sotiris: What is wrong with the verified persons on your Provisional
> Membership Committee list working together now to complete the verification
> of the Panel.  As soon as that is completed. The committee can then move on
> to other work as determined by the Panel. If the Panel feels that the
> committee is not doing its job competently, or if by some weird chance they
> felt that a membership verification and privacy committee is no longer
> needed, they could propose to the membership that it be changed, replaced,
> or disbanded.
>
> Since Joey Borda is not a Panel member, I would certainly support him as
> chairman of the committee.
>
> Ron Sherwood
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sotiris Sotiropoulos" <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>
> To: "At Large Discuss" <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 5:56 PM
> Subject: [atlarge-discuss] [Fwd: Re: [Panel] Proposal for agenda]
>
> >
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: [Panel] Proposal for agenda
> > Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 17:45:19 -0400
> > From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>
> > Reply-To: panel@mailman.icannatlarge.org
> > To: panel@mailman.icannatlarge.org
> > References: <005901c32adc$34f7e9a0$38281f3e@mephisto>
> >
> >
> >
> > Abel Wisman wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >#2003-2
> > >
> > >Motion to instigate a verification committee:
> > >
> > >Upon acceptance of this motion the panel requests Joey Borda to chair a
> > >committee for the time of 6 months, consisting of at least 5 but no more
> > >then 7 members for the sole purpose of verification of; Panel-members,
> > >Panel-replacement members, Committee-Chairs, Committee-members and other
> > >(semi-)official atlarge members. Upon acceptance the committee shall
> > >report to the panel whether people are verified satisfactory or not, and
> > >their ways of verification of the said individual are to be disclosed,
> > >without revealing any of the information gained.
> > >Motion was tabled by Abel and seconded by Hugh
> > >
> >
> > I have a real problem with this motion. 1) I do not think it's necessary
> > to appoint a chair of the verification committee, it can rotate just as
> > on the panel. 2) I don't think it's the membership's wish that the Panel
> > appoint any Chairs of any committees 3) the verification of the panel
> > Members must take place by the Provisional Membership Committee now
> > forming before ANY of the mothions can be voted upon.
> >
> > --Sotiris Sotiropoulos
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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> >
> > "The science of jurisprudence regards the state and power as the
> > ancients regarded fire- namely, as something existing absolutely.
> > But for history, the state and power are merely phenomena, just as for
> > modern physics fire is not an element but a phenomenon.
> >
> > From this fundamental difference between the view held by history
> > and that held by jurisprudence, it follows that jurisprudence can tell
> > minutely how in its opinion power should be constituted and what
> > power- existing immutably outside time- is, but to history's questions
> > about the meaning of the mutations of power in time it can answer
> > nothing."
> >      --Leo Tolstoy, "War and Peace"
> >
> >
> >
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