RE: [atlarge-discuss] offlist: RE: [atlarge-discuss] ProvisionalMembership Committee (copy to all members)

[Joanna Lane <jo-uk@rcn.com>]

> From: Abel Wisman [mailto:abel@able-towers.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 12:43 PM
> I suppose this is what some think bottom-up democracy is or should not
> be: a group with no verified support in the membership that takes the
> decision who to send off a newly elected panel without the decent form
> of a vote of no confidence from the entire membership, without proof of
> non-existence? Are you all of a sudden ruling over the members and the
> new panel based upon assumed guilty till proven innocent ?

Abel,
You can ignore the work of the verification committee because if, as you are
claiming, each of the elected candidates are not frauds, then they will
present themselves to take up their seats, and the verification committee
will be mute, having had absolutely no impact on the outcome of this
election. If, on the other hand, it turns out that one of these candidates
is a phantom, then I think this verification committee will have given the
membership good service. Right now,

We have yet to name names about who we are concerned about, but I believe
there is one person who nobody knows, that nobody has ever met, with no URL
reference for a CV, or even an email address to contact (although I fail to
understand how they can have accepted their nomination without one). Who
voted for this person is also questionable. Were the "members" also frauds?
One has to be mindful that it was entirely possible for 1 person to join 45
times from 45 different email addresses and vote themselves into the panel.
It's not something any of us like to think happened, but nevertheless, it
could have happened. The motive would be disruption and it would be a sad
day if we could not defend basic democratic principals in this way.

Any candidate who is who they have claimed to be and who is willing to make
one public post to accept their seat and introduce themselves to their
electorate has nothing to fear. We are not talking about yourself and Joop
you know!

Regards,
Joanna



>
> Define your proposed working methods, your proposed actions upon
> failure, what constitutes failure, how you going to get approval of the
> membership to conduct all this and finally what binds each and every
> committee member PERSONAL liability for personal information gathered
> about anyone getting out of your committee by any member of that
> committee. Are you gonna hold yourself to any rules at all or are you
> going on a rampage like SS did and start calling ex employers or even
> worse, customers of either of us for this so-called verification?
>
> I did not volunteer, I was asked, I was nominated and accepted. I was
> persuaded to make it acceptable that I was a real person and I did. For
> me the game ends there.
>
> What is to stop the next from rising and saying: I do not have faith in
> that committee and want the job done again and this time I want to see
> all the data myself! Please don't tell me it wont, because it is exactly
> what is happening now.
> What is there to stop any member from proposing and organizing a vote or
> gaining enough support to have a vote organized that does just that
> again on the premise of this (second!) action not being "within the
> rules of democracy" and to state the committee acted upon themselves
> without the support of the majority. And so on and so on.
>
> As Richard Henderson said (freely translated) let's make some rules
> before you create a process.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joanna Lane [mailto:jo-uk@rcn.com]
> Sent: 06 June 2003 16:56
> To: Ron Sherwood; Daniel R. Tobias
> Cc: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> Subject: [atlarge-discuss] offlist: RE: [atlarge-discuss] Provisional
> Membership Committee (copy to all members)
>
>
> Ron,
> Good job, but I have taken the liberty of doing an edit of your letter,
> to be a little more specific about what is being asked of them......
>
> First, it doesn't need to be signed by a Chairperson, neither do we have
> one, so best just to sign it "from the Provisional ID Verification
> Committee" or similar and list all names and email addresses, so there
> is no excuse for not contacting any one of us.
>
> Sorry about the wrap thing if I messed it up.
> Joanna
>
> _____________________________________________________
>
> "Dear  X,
>
> Your ranking in the recent ICANNAtLarge Panel Elections placed you in
> the top 11. In order to confirm whether on not you will be taking up
> your place with immediate effect, and to introduce yourself to the
> membership, would you please provide:-
>
> 1) Simple proof of your existence as the person you represent yourself
> to be. You may submit copies of official documents, such as driving
> license and bank statement, in private to any one of a group of
> volunteers acting as a Provision ID Verification Committee, whose names
> and contact details appear below. These volunteers will not share your
> information outside the committee. In addition, would you please make a
> $1 electronic payment at www.Paypal.com , made payable to
> sotiris@hermesnetwork.com, which $ will be returned to you promptly. If
> you are unable to comply with these requests, please contact a member of
> the ID Verification Committee to discuss alternative procedures to
> verify your identity that may be acceptable.
>
> 2) Accept your Panel seat by sending a note to the AtLarge discuss list
> to confirm your willingness to serve on the Panel for its duration (or
> for a lesser duration if that is your preference).
>
> 3) Introduce yourself to the membership by sending a copy of your CV/
> Resume to the AtLarge discuss list, or the URL where this is posted
> online.
>
> A number of candidates are unknown to the
> membership, and because of the possibility of pseudo
> personas standing for election in an on-line voting
> process, it is essential that candidates who receive sufficient votes to
> be elected Panelists, satisfy minimum criteria to verify their identity
> within a reasonable period of time after the election finishes. On this
> occasion, the grace period is seven days, or the candidate forfeits
> their right to be seated on the Panel, and their place is offered to the
> candidate with the next highest number of votes.
>
> Please be advised that grace period expires on Sunday June 8th at
> 00:00Zulu (Midnight Saturday GMT)
>
> We look forward to your early response.
>
> Sincerely,
> for and on behalf of the ICANN@Large Verification Committee
>
> (list all members with email addresses)
>
> ___________________________________________________________
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ron Sherwood [mailto:sherwood@islands.vi]
> > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 10:46 AM
> > To: Daniel R. Tobias; atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> > Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Provisional Membership Committee (copy
> > to all members)
> >
> >
> > Daniel R. Tobias wrote:
> >
> > > Your message is malformed; its line length doesn't meet the standard
>
> > > of RFC 2822.  See this screenshot:
> >
> > For those members who have an email client that
> > does not handle word wrap, I resend the message:
> >
> > Dear Provisional Membership Committee volunteers:
> >
> > I have been asked to prepare a draft letter to be sent
> > to all Panelists-elect.
> >
> > Since the last day of the 7 day grace period starts at 00:00Zulu
> > Saturday, and since that is 8:00pm Atlantic time today, I propose that
>
> > the committee elect their chairman at that time and immediately send
> > this letter out to all Panel-elect members.
> >
> > Draft letter below for your approval
> >
> > Regards, Ron Sherwood
> >
> > ----------Draft Letter----------
> >
> > Dear Candidate:
> >
> > You offered to serve as an officer of the Panel of representatives to
> > perform certain bootstrap tasks on behalf of the 900+ registered
> > members of the ICANN@Large Internet users group.  In the election
> > process, you received sufficient votes to be seated as
> > a member of the Panel.
> >
> > Because a number of candidates are unknown to the
> > membership, and because of the possibility of pseudo
> > personas standing for election in an on-line voting
> > process, it was determined that the elected Panelists
> > should be provided with a grace period of seven days
> > to fulfill three simple requirements, or to automatically disqualify
> > themselves from the right to take office. That grace period expires on
>
> > Sunday June 8th at 00:00Zulu (Midnight Saturday GMT)
> >
> > The three requirements are:
> >
> > 1) to provide to the membership discuss list, or to a verification
> > committee, simple proof of your existence as the person you
> > represented yourself to be as a candidate. The method was left to you,
>
> > but several options were offered.
> >
> > 2) to confirm your willingness to serve on the Panel for
> > its duration (or for a lesser duration if that is your will).
> >
> > 3) to introduce yourself to the membership by posting
> > to the atLarge-discuss list.
> >
> > A number of members have volunteered to act as the Verification
> > Committee and will spend the 24 hours prior to the expiration of the
> > grace period in an attempt to contact all Panel members-elect to
> > verify their compliance with the three above requirements.
> > Please accept this message as our notice of that
> > contact attempt.  If you have not yet met the above
> > requirements please do so immediately.
> >
> > Your early response is requested.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > for the ICANN@Large Verification Committee
> >
> > ?????????, Chairperson
> >
> >
> >
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