RE: [atlarge-discuss] Vendetta against Sotiris?

["Jeff Holt" <jefftttt@txucom.net>]

@Large & Richard,

First, I wish someone would fix the "Reply To:" on this list, it is
overly tedious to continue to change the Return or use "Reply All" and
create redundancies.

Second, the manner in which this attempt to hold an election has been
less than desired from the beginning, with deadlines and constraints and
questionable methodology from the word "Go", but we need to make
progress.  Some individuals have made concerted efforts to obstruct
progress while others have voiced concerns and moved ahead and yet
others have abrogated participation completely.  This is a case of
beating a dead horse to try and make it run faster, Sotiris refused to
acknowledge the election as legitimate unfortunately, so there is valid
argument for his name to be excluded from the panel-elect list.  At the
same time, his efforts would seem to be unflagging (even if antagonistic
and obnoxious to many including myself) and based in a desire for this
Org to move forward (though some might say only if under his
control)....  Bottom line, Sotiris IMHO has every right to continue in
the Panel-elect as a Verified and Certified Candidate.  

Lastly, the same cannot be said of some others.  Several other
panelists-elect have only now contributed the minimum of participation,
under threat of expulsion, and as yet have made no effort to provide
information to any Verification & Certification process, either the
first ad hoc effort or the current semi-authorized process that
culminated yesterday.  This is unacceptable and should be addressed
before further panel-elect action takes place.  This panel-elect has a
serious duty to document procedure for future elections to prevent this
type of running fiasco from repeating itself.  We deserve and should
require better response and participation from those who would represent
us.

Sincerely,
 
Jeff Holt
Jefftttt@txucom.net
www.tejas-info-services.com
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Henderson [mailto:richardhenderson@ntlworld.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 8:51 AM
To: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
Subject: [atlarge-discuss] Vendetta against Sotiris?

I can see the reasoning behind some people's argument for removing
Sotiris
from the panel. A parallel might be the opposition that existed in UK to
the
IRA being allowed democratic seats as long as they refused to abandon
their
weapons. In rejecting the electoral process, they were perceived by some
as
ineligible because - not acknowledging the legitimacy of any elections -
they might at any stage resort to other means.

Moreover, Sotiris's style is problematical to some.

However, I am really and sincerely concerned that there is a vendetta
going
on against him just because he's antagonised some people. To take the
IRA
parallel further, the fact remained that large numbers of people wanted
them
(or their political wing Sinn Fein) to represent them.

I am sceptical about some people's motives, however much their actions
can
be backed up by 'logic'.

I am concerned to see this organisation gain a reputation for genuine
democratic process, because we need to be able to demonstrate this, in
order
to argue the case for democratic representation on the ICANN Board. We
need
to demonstrate that it can be done.

Sotiris didn't accept the election methods and processes, but - short of
giving up the fight - he had no real alternative except to go along with
it,
protesting all the way.

Just because he does not accept the process that took place does not
mean
(logically) that either (a) people weren't allowed to vote for him (they
did); or (b) that he did not wish to represent them (he does).

People want him to represent them. He wants to represent them. If, in
between, the process was or was not legitimate, it is nevertheless
entirely
consistent that people (who may also question the process) *still* want
him
to represent them and that he *still* wants to represent them.

Just because he objects to the process does not mean that the democratic
will cannot be carried out.

I repeat, it is perfectly clear to me that a vendetta is being waged
against
Sotiris by some people who just don't like his style. The democratic
integrity of the recent election needs to be demonstrated by an enquiry
by
an Electoral Commission charged with organising future elections; and
the
democratic integrity of the recent election needs to be demonstrated by
respecting the wishes of the people who voted for Sotiris.

If, as you have argued, the election was fair, then you should accept
the
wish of the electorate to have Sotiris on the panel.

This, too, is a logical argument which deserves some recognition of
being
reasonable.

My motive, as I say, is not vendetta or favouritism for Sotiris, but
defence
of the democratic process... without which, we can never present a moral
case for ICANN, too, to introduce democratic processes and integrity.


Yrs,

Richard Henderson



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