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Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: Sotiris Sotiropoulos FUD follows Hugh Blair FUD to: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: Sotiris, Where is that Registered Restricted Letter? Re: [atlarge-discuss] Provisional Membership Committee
Sotiris:
A Panel member who belligerently declares that he will only verify Jeff
Williams if he provides a mailing address that can receive a Restricted
Delivery letter. And then, when an address is provided, that Panel member
spends days spouting myriad excuses for not doing so, there is a serious
credibility issue.
Your latest excuse is that Jeff Holt is going to try to meet with Jeff
Williams at some point in time and space that may or may not happen
depending upon the will of both parties. Why would you use this latest ploy
to evade doing what you said you would do days ago? If you really want to
verify Jeff Williams. Sending the letter may save Jeff Holt an 800 mile
road trip and all the time and expenses involved. If Jeff Holt makes the
trip anyway you have a double verification. If The letter is returned as
undeliverable you can claim that Jeff is not verified. If Jeff Williams
doesn't show up for a face to face meeting, you have doubly verified that he
is a fraud as you claim. If you don't send the letter and Jeff Williams
claims that he somehow missed Jeff Holt at the meeting place, we have made
zero progress. And you look even sillier for failing to do what you said
you would do.
Just do it, Sotiris... send the letter. I would do it myself (at a far
lower cost to me, since I am paying your outrageous Canadian postal cost
anyway). The only reason that I have not already done so is because I don't
want to risk being subjected to your venomous condemnation as a fraud if I
have to report that I did indeed receive proof of delivery.
Ron Sherwood
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sotiris Sotiropoulos" <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>
To: "Ron Sherwood" <sherwood@islands.vi>
Cc: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:02 AM
Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: Sotiris Sotiropoulos FUD follows Hugh
Blair FUD to: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: Sotiris, Where is that Registered
Restricted Letter? Re: [atlarge-discuss] Provisional Membership Committee
> Ron,
>
> In case you hadn't noticed (how could you not?), Jeff Holt has offered a
> face to face meet-up with our JW. I defer to his approach as it will
> conclusively establish the verification of JW. Now, you can continue
> calling me names (sticks and stones etc.,), but understand that in light
> of the offer made by Jeff Holt, I would be happy to let him provide us
> with conclusive evidence.
>
> --Sotiris Sotiropoulos
>
> P.S. BTW, I have nothing personal against JW, Ron, so please do not
> waste your time and energies trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.
>
>
> Ron Sherwood wrote:
>
> >Sotiris:
> >
> >My mailing address is a P.O. Box. It is the only address that you can
send
> >mail to. I am paying for you to send a Restricted Delivery letter to
Jeff
> >Williams at his P.O. Box address. You have said many times that you
will,
> >but on every occasion you have reneged on that promise. It seems that
your
> >word is absolutely worthless. How can you so patently and so blatantly
show
> >your willingness to discriminate against someone that you dislike in a
> >simple process that will cost you nothing.
> >
> >Again, Sotiris, this is nothing to do with whether you like or dislike
Jeff
> >Williams. Or whether you want or do not want him to be verified. It is
about
> >telling the world that you will send a Restricted mail letter to Jeff if
he
> >gives you an address to send it to. You have repeatedly said that you
will
> >and have repeatedly made excuses for not doing so. You are showing every
> >member of this organization that your word means nothing, that you place
> >your own subjective viewpoint before the organizational rules that you
> >proposed and that you have applied to others.
> >
> >If you do not immediately send a Restricted Delivery letter to the
mailing
> >address that Jeff Williams provided you will indelibly brand yourself as
a
> >cheat and a liar and unfit for any office.
> >
> >Just do it Sotiris. Stop the excuses.
> >
> >Ron Sherwood
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Sotiris Sotiropoulos" <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>
> >To: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> >Cc: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> >Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:47 PM
> >Subject: [atlarge-discuss] Re: Sotiris Sotiropoulos FUD follows Hugh
Blair
> >FUD to: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: Sotiris, Where is that Registered
> >Restricted Letter? Re: [atlarge-discuss] Provisional Membership Committee
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>A P.O. Box is NOT a proper address. You live somewhere... please send
> >>me the addres where you reside. You can do so offlist if you so choose,
> >>but I will not consider a P.O. box to be a proper, verifiable address.
> >> There's a reason why mail orders don't deliver to P.O. boxes.
> >>
> >>--Sotiris Sotiropoulos
> >>
> >>Jeff Williams wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Sotiris and all fellow members,
> >>>
> >>> Hugh was incorrect. The address I gave you 7 times now
> >>>is my legal and proper Mailing address. The address for
> >>>My company is 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. As I have so many
> >>>times pointed out.
> >>>My proper Mailing address is and has been for 14 years is:
> >>>Jeffrey A. Williams
> >>>p.o. Box 1843
> >>>Frisco Texas, 75034
> >>>
> >>>usps phone # for Dallas and the Frisco area is:
> >>>1-800-275-8777 - Ask for direct line to the Frisco
> >>>post office.
> >>>
> >>>Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Thanks to Hugh, for pointing out the dilemma involved in pinning Mr.
> >>>>Jeff Williams down to a fixed address.
> >>>>
> >>>>--Sotiris Sotiropoulos
> >>>>
> >>>>Hugh Blair wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>From: Jeff Williams
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>No mail Box's on Route 1,Rual area of Gunter. Hence why
> >>>>>>my Mailing address for mail delivery is p.o.. Box 1843 Frisco
> >>>>>>Texas 75034 and has been for 14 years.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>Been there "for 14 years"? Are you lying now - or then?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>http://www.fitug.de/icann-europe/0106/msg00019.html
> >>>>>Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
> >>>>>http://dict.regex.info/ipv6/6bone/6bone.mail-1999-05/0060.html
> >>>>>Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
> >>>>>http://www.icann.org/comments-mail/comment-dnso/archive/msg00051.html
> >>>>>Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
> >>>>>http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc09/msg01587.html
> >>>>>Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
>
>>>>http://www.apnic.net/mailing-lists/apnic-talk/archive/2000/02/msg00023.h
t
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >ml
> >
> >
> >>>>>Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
> >>>>>http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg18671.html
> >>>>>Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
> >>>>>http://archive.nznog.org/2001-07/msg00158.html
> >>>>>Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
>
>>>>http://lists.research.netsol.com/pipermail/uwho/2001-November/000023.htm
l
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
> >>>>>
> >>>>>There's 8 *different* lists where you posted an address - within
> >>>>>the last "14 years" that's different from "Gunter". So when were
> >>>>>you lying? Then? Now? Are you even in Texas? Kansas? Oz?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Just more TEXAS BULL.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Hugh
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>--
> >>>>-----------
> >>>>
> >>>>"The science of jurisprudence regards the state and power as the
> >>>>ancients regarded fire- namely, as something existing absolutely.
> >>>>But for history, the state and power are merely phenomena, just as for
> >>>>modern physics fire is not an element but a phenomenon.
> >>>>
> >>>>>From this fundamental difference between the view held by history
> >>>>and that held by jurisprudence, it follows that jurisprudence can tell
> >>>>minutely how in its opinion power should be constituted and what
> >>>>power- existing immutably outside time- is, but to history's questions
> >>>>about the meaning of the mutations of power in time it can answer
> >>>>nothing."
> >>>> --Leo Tolstoy, "War and Peace"
> >>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>--
> >>>Jeffrey A. Williams
> >>>Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 131k members/stakeholders strong!)
> >>>"Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" -
> >>> Pierre Abelard
> >>>===============================================================
> >>>CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
> >>>Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> >>>E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
> >>>Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 214-244-3801
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>--
> >>-----------
> >>
> >>"The science of jurisprudence regards the state and power as the
> >>ancients regarded fire- namely, as something existing absolutely.
> >>But for history, the state and power are merely phenomena, just as for
> >>modern physics fire is not an element but a phenomenon.
> >>
> >>From this fundamental difference between the view held by history
> >>and that held by jurisprudence, it follows that jurisprudence can tell
> >>minutely how in its opinion power should be constituted and what
> >>power- existing immutably outside time- is, but to history's questions
> >>about the meaning of the mutations of power in time it can answer
> >>nothing."
> >> --Leo Tolstoy, "War and Peace"
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> --
> -----------
>
> "The science of jurisprudence regards the state and power as the
> ancients regarded fire- namely, as something existing absolutely.
> But for history, the state and power are merely phenomena, just as for
> modern physics fire is not an element but a phenomenon.
>
> From this fundamental difference between the view held by history
> and that held by jurisprudence, it follows that jurisprudence can tell
> minutely how in its opinion power should be constituted and what
> power- existing immutably outside time- is, but to history's questions
> about the meaning of the mutations of power in time it can answer
> nothing."
> --Leo Tolstoy, "War and Peace"
>
>
>
>
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