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Re: [atlarge-discuss] intox but for what purpose?

At 07:36 20/06/03, Joop Teernstra wrote:
"Please contact me. I have been unable to contact faster.co.nz, and a resolution to this issue is needed quickly."
At the time she sends that mail, the initial mailing list is closed for 14 hours and the trap mailing list triggered by flakers is closed for 6 hours.

A full account of the action, of its reasons and of the possible motives of the person who tried to manipulate her have been given to:
Mrs. Adria J. Wilson
Contract Administrator
LucasArts, a division of Lucasfilm Entertainment Company Ltd.
Tel 415.444.8311
Fax 415.444.8698

Maybe someone will want to ask her who phoned?
jfc
First of all why phone Mrs AJ Wilson of all people?

Seems she is the only one able to respond the questions you rise.


Was she also subscribed to those lists?
And who passed the message, if it is real,  to *you*?

Ask Mrs AJ Wilson.


As to who sent that message to Mrs. Adria J. Wilson,  take your pick:

ICANN staff?
William X. Walsh?
David Farrar?
Esther D ?
Joe S.?
Vittorio?
Hans Klein?
Jamie Love?
Curtis Kularski?
Abel Wisman?
Daniel Chirita?
Dan Tobias?
Sebastian Klein?
"Claude Thielet"?
JF Morfin?
some incompetent?

Claude, I note that your name alone is between "".
But at least I see that he quotes Sebastian, you and me as three persons.
It must be awful to him to think I am a member in disguise of the Panel ;-)
May be could you drive Joop to Poitiers, France is so small.


who knows?
I suppose Mrs AJ Wilson does. Usually when someone calls and you send a mail from why he told you, you checked the caller? I am only surprised you object to calling Mrs AJ Wilson. Obviously not everyone should do it. But you have a good reason yourself to call and to report the list.

It could have been an honest mistake by an old member who confused your surprise .ws domain with the most googled icannatlarge website.
Ah! OK. You mean that someone receives a mail.
- does not know that icannatlarge.org is the web site of the icannatlarge.org organization
- he thinks the mail he just received is about icannatlarge.org
- quoting a link to the icannatlarge.org
- with an addresses in the header telling him how to unsubscribe
thinks that all those are wrong information

and
- remembers a parallel name,
- finds the correspondent of the hosting company in California,
- calls them and tells them a dramatic story about an (at that time) dead action.

Need you assume malice when mere incompetence could be the trigger factor?
I assume nothing. I just give elements to interested third parties to check on me. The same as I made the entire list the real watchdogs of election and I hope it will continue. As much transparent as possible.

But I will not give names as Joanna calls for (for me to violate privacy rule she is so good about :-), as you also insist upon for Claude Thielet. Those I suspect of brainspamming will not be disclosed. I just try to give as much elements to everyone so they can check and contribute by their own. I did reported more to the Panel for them to be sure they are well elected and because I think they need it.

I will now work on ways for manipulators to expose themselves or reduce their action. As I said it might take time and work, but I have good hope I will succeed. Cleaning the @large from this is a necessity before we can be taken seriously. But there is no reason to put any pressure, shame or vindict on anyone ... as you do on me :-).

Why don't you share the fruits of your investigation and analysis with the Panel that you say has been so legitimately elected, so that others can judge the evidence of the election manipulation and identify its alleged originators?
Why to ask that? This is exactly what I did.
Oh! I understand: as many others you would like to know if you are on my list :-)
Or who are.

Let me tell something about this. Everyone who read a whodunit knows that suspects are very interested about the results of the on-going investigation. And that investigators may be wrong at some stage. I love Hercule Poirot because he usually does not say who did it, but makes him to tell it. I have no real capacity to prove anything in this cyberworld where many things may look like (and I know about it myself ...). So, the only way is to make them expose themselves.

As cops explained me and I reported here: pure manipulators, clones, etc. will make everything _not_ to be elected because it is too risky; they will try to make elected people they manipulate or people they think unable to succeed. Except leaders who may enjoy or need being on the spot. As reported I think that scheme failed because of the number of voters.

Do not worry. We have been subject to that kind of influence for years and it is probably why we did not go anywhere. We suffered ALAC actions over RALO proposition and our own list burying. We suffered the icannatlarge.com/org controversy. Some love that and this will not prevent them to post in here. Some want more serious protection and real work. I am one of those.
jfc









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