RE: [atlarge-discuss] Opposing the motion to permanently ban Jeff Williams

["Abel Wisman" <abel@able-towers.com>]

Without ascertaining the content I have to inform you that motions of
any kind can only be proposed or moved by members of this organization.
I believe you are not in that category.

Kind regards

Abel Wisman


> -----Original Message-----
> From: DannyYounger@cs.com [mailto:DannyYounger@cs.com] 
> Sent: 17 July 2003 16:53
> To: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> Subject: [atlarge-discuss] Opposing the motion to permanently 
> ban Jeff Williams
> 
> 
> What does a family do when one of their members is 
> chronically mentally ill 
> and needs to be on powerful psychotropic drugs for the rest 
> of his life?
> 
> Since 1998, when Jeff wrote to the U.S. Government and stated 
> that all 24,000 
> members of INEG "unanimously" voted to approve a model set of 
> proposed bylaws 
> for ICANN, we have all known that Jeff is given to delusions and 
> prevarications.  His outrageous claims (well-documented in a 
> variety of JW FAQs), and his 
> fantasy INEGroup that has now grown to 131,000 non-existent 
> members, are all 
> symptoms of this particular illness.  This latest episode is 
> nothing more than 
> more-of-the-same, a non-normative mental state that has now 
> taken a tangential 
> form of expression -- email falsification.  
> 
> Jeff has been tolerated on this and other lists over the 
> years precisely 
> because most of us have a certain amount of compassion for 
> the mentally ill.  
> 
> Yes, it can be particularly aggravating and frustating to 
> communicate with 
> folks that have such problems (especially when they take the 
> form associated 
> with schizophrenia  -- preoccupation with systematized 
> delusions related to a 
> single theme, argumentativeness, and an extreme intensity in 
> interpersonal 
> interaction), but this is the challenge that faces a family 
> when one of their own is 
> afflicted.  
> 
> The Panel of this organization has put forth a motion that 
> states in part, 
> "it is decided that Jeff Williams is permanently removed from 
> the memberlist, 
> general list and that the organization declares him personae 
> non grata to this 
> organization.  That upon acceptance an email is send to the 
> GNSO, GA and NIST 
> list with the message that Jeff Williams has been banned from this 
> organization".
> 
> Is this how members in an enlightened society deal with the 
> mentally ill?   
> Is banishment, and widespread publication of such banishment, 
> the proper course 
> of action, or is it an overreaction?  
> 
> In the past, Jeff has been sanctioned on other lists for 
> different periods of 
> time (mostly for exceeding established posting limits).  As a 
> general rule, 
> he learns from the experience and modifies his behavior for a 
> period of time.  
> This organization would be well-served by a set of rules and 
> sanctions 
> governing list behavior.  Jeff is not the only offending 
> party on these lists.  In 
> recent days I have noted the intensity of personal attacks 
> with epithets being 
> hurled such as "cowdungboy".  This type of behavior should 
> similarly not be 
> tolerated in civil society.
> 
> My recommendation to the Panel would be as follows:
> 
> 1.  Banning Jeff from the list for a period of time for this 
> infraction (not 
> permanently)
> 2.  Banning those that have engaged in personal attacks (also 
> for a limited 
> period of time) 
> 3.  Establishing rules and penalties governing list behavior
> 4.  Formalizing a moderated list environment with watchdogs 
> being given the 
> duty of ruling on violations
> 
> I ask the Panel to consider modifying their motion.
> 
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