[FYI] (Fwd) FC: Alan Dershowitz suggests judges could issue "torture warrants"

["Axel H Horns" <horns@ipjur.com>]

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From:           	Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>
Subject:        	FC: Alan Dershowitz suggests judges could issue "torture warrants"
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See also:

"FBI wants to cast aside civil liberties, torture mentioned"
http://www.politechbot.com/p-02684.html

"The Objectivist Center applauds national IDs, torture, snooping?"
http://www.politechbot.com/p-02709.html

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From: "Robert Helmer" <roberthelmer@earthlink.net>
To: "Declan McCullagh" <declan@well.com>
Subject: Dershowitz and Torture Warrants
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 11:00:42 -0600

Declan, a few weeks ago on Cyberia I posted a satiric comment about
the government seeking the power to issue torture warrants against
terrorist suspects -- To my surprise, some took the posting seriously.
And now, guess what? Speaking in St. Louis yesterday, Alan Dershowitz
seems to have come out in favor of it. The Post-Dispatch reports the
following in today's edition:

"Even torture may not be off the table as an information-gathering
tool, Dershowitz said. But there must be a national debate about the
circumstances in which torture is permissible and who should have the
power to decide when to use it. Dershowitz suggested that judges could
issue torture warrants in certain cases."

<http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/news/D2614FEED94954
0D86256AFB0043EB5B?OpenDocument&highlight=2%2Cdershowitz?opendocument&
headline=U.S.+now+might+have+to+consider+what+once+was+unthinkable,+De
rshowitz+says>http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/news/D
2614FEED949540D86256AFB0043EB5B?OpenDocument&highlight=2%2Cdershowitz?
opendocument&headline=U.S.+now+might+have+to+consider+what+once+was+un
thinkable,+Dershowitz+says

What's interesting is that, besides the wholly unconstitutional nature
of torture, no one seems to consider its complete lack of
effectiveness as an information gathering tool, since the nature of
the duress it causes will prompt the suspect to say anything he thinks
the torturers want to hear.... Witness the Inquisition, where suspects
routinely implicated every possible innocent bystander to simply meet
the torturers' quota of truth....

Thanks,

Bob Helmer
Daily Rotation
<http://www.dailyrotation.com>http://www.dailyrotation.com
Shell Extension City
<http://www.shellcity.net>http://www.shellcity.net
St. Louis, Missouri

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http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,166338,00.html

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