Re: [icann-eu] Re: 10.000 PIN codes found....

[Jefsey Morfin <jefsey@wanadoo.fr>]

Thomas,
I certainly approve your responses. May be some remarks may add
to the thinking.

At 10:38 22/11/00, you wrote:
>On 2000-11-21 23:59:24 +0100, Karl Kramer wrote:
> > What an Incompetece at ICANN !
> > They want to roule the web but are unable to set up webforms that
> > let you check you data and your status in a propper way,
>How strange, then, that so many people managed to get their
>addresses entered in a proper way, and actually were able to vote...
>Or do you want to imply that it takes a normal individual looks at a
>couple of different web forms, and repeated submission of these
>forms, to generate a correct address?

There are very simple reasons for this 14% error rate. First a word
how many time an e-order is initially denied to you for mistyping of
some information checked by the system (post code vs. city name,
tec...) which were not by the ICANN form unable to check the world.

Two, many people do not like the ICANN - this list shows it - so it
is supposed that making the ICANN to spend time, resources and
money at sending letters to nowhere has been conceived by many
as a legitimate act of "resistance".

I must say that I am surprised to see a return of 14% ONLY.

> > I think ICANN should simply be closed down and replaced by
> > adhoc-groups, for which ONLY non-profits are allowed to join, no
> > governmental, (e)commerce or provider-peoples !
>This will most likely be the best method to get the admin community
>accept whatever root such an organization would propose.  You are
>joking, aren't you?

ICANN is a non profit organization. This is one of its problem ... because
it has not the way to oppose the influence of people like Hans Kraaijen...
(never remember the full name) and other non profit organisations.

I disagree with you Thomas : there would be NO root at all, only
disputes...

> > The central-office should be in Genevre or Berlin, in the USA
> > they are even unable to vote a President without having serious
> > counting-problems...
>While the presidential elections are certainly excellent joke-fodder
>(two distinct versions of the "revocation of independence" are
>available upon request), they should not be taken as a reason for
>any national or continental hybris and arrogance.  This just won't
>help in any manner.

I doubt we could so easily propose such a change, should the
ICANN be located in the bureaucratic Europe. Did we share in
*any* way in the stupid choice ofthe ".eu" string and in the "*broad*"
study about its management. If the ICANN was managed at the
speed and with the efficicency of the ".eu" affair, I suppose we
would be screaming for it to be handle in an "american way".

I will just give a proof: the Internet concept has been developed
by Mr. Pouzin at the French INRIA who created the "datagram".
This was the "Cyclades" network project. ARPANET designers
(Larry Roberts and Barry Wessler) copied. Cyclades developed
in some projects, the ESA (European Space Agncy) helped,
the Europed helped to develop EuroNet, then the European
Data Bases created DANET. ADDA was developed five miles
from there for the US DoD, etc... Did that led to something?
Yes: we eat Danettes from Danone and we use Internet from
the ICANN. May be there is a reason....

>Apart of that, I suppose there is some consensus forming by now that
>the - ICANN, not presidential ;-) - elections had serious problems
>which should be investigated during the study to come, and that all
>parties involved should work to get these problems fixed the next
>time ICANN calls for elections.

The US election system has been copied with the primary concept,
etc... This may be a good thing, may be not. The constituency
definition (continents) maybe good or not. This is up to us to
discuss it now. Again we are here to build - as you do Thomas -
not to destroy or waste our time. The people who think it is not
the best solution (and many are) should help in making it better
and not hamper the efforts of those who try.

Thank you Thomas for what you do.
Jefsey


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>Thomas Roessler                         <roessler@does-not-exist.org>