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[ICANN-EU] Fwd: Re: ICANN elections in Europe
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- Subject: [ICANN-EU] Fwd: Re: ICANN elections in Europe
- From: Jefsey Morfin <jefsey@wanadoo.fr>
- Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 11:37:40 +0200
- Cc: edyson@edventure.com, ajm@icann.org, roberts@icann.org, icann-europe@fitug.de
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To all.
I think the following exchange with Mrs. Ester Dyson will interest
most of you. I passed that information to the journalists having
requested it. May be could someone copy it to the Speigel. The
last paragraphs in particular is a response to the people (I was one)
who thought there was a difference between the American and German
understanding of the word "Hacker". IMHO this should help in
maintaining a fair, fully open and positive dialog during the campaign
to come.
Jefsey
NB. This message is sent to icann-fra and copied to icann-europe,
to Mrs. Dyson, and to Mr. Roberts and to Mr. McLauglin.
If they, or one of them having some French, want to be on the
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>To: Jefsey Morfin <jefsey@wanadoo.fr>
>From: edyson@edventure.com (Esther Dyson)
>Subject: Re: ICANN elections in Europe
>Cc: ajm@icann.org,Mike Roberts <roberts@icann.org>
>Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 02:26:17 -0400
>
>Thanks for the background and for the opportunity to respond!!! And yes,
>please publish my response on your list. I'd be happy to respond further to
>replies addressed to me. However, as you know, I am not on the list.
>
>I think having opposition - read different opinions, not blind rage - within
>a board is a good thing. Otherwise, when most people have the same opinions,
>they are redundant. I also think that being on the ICANN board (or even
>actually watching it in action, rather than merely having opinions) can be
>very educational! I have certainly learned a lot! I for one am very glad to
>see outside candidates participating in the elections - and perhaps on the
>board. In my experience, diversity on a board (or in a discussion) leads to
>a better analysis of the issues and stronger solutions in the end. If
>arguments are persuasive, they will persuade people of various initial
>opinions; if not, usually the arguments deserved to lose!
>
>RE my specific comments, the background is the following: There was a
>discussion in Cairo about the board being captured by interest groups, and I
>said that I was not so worried about interest groups, that the challenge is
>also about it being captured by people who are "stupid as individuals." I
>did not mean "with different opinions," and I was not referring to anyone in
>particular. (To me, being willing to argue openly and to learn is the key
>sign of intelligence.) Anyone who wants to call himself stupid and then
>object to being insulted by me.......well, please apply!
>
>FWIW, though I do not know enough about the particulars, I would make a
>strong distinction between "hackers," who are technical wizards worthy of
>esteem, and "crackers," who break into other people's systems to cause
>damage.
>
>Esther
>
>
> At 10:39 PM 9/8/00 +0200, Jefsey Morfin wrote:
> >Madam,
> >I thank you for your prompt response. Here is the post passed on
> >the icann-europe mailing list. There were additionnal comments
> >on further posts:
> >- that ComputerWire is a paying service so no one could check
> >- that there were no quotation marks in the text.
> >
> >I suggested the German candidates could send a mail to you for
> >comments. I reported my mail on the French list. Two French
> >journalists called me for comments today.
> >
> >I note that the icann-europe ML Mr. McLaughlin uses to be on
> >this well behaved ML where most of the European candidates
> >participates (NomCom and @large alike).
> >
> >Sincerely yours.
> >Jefsey Morfin
> >
> ><quote>
> >Under <http://www.spiegel.de/druckversion/0,1588,92003,00.html>,
> >Spiegel Online runs another, rather polemic, article on the ICANN
> >primaries. I'm giving a rough summary.
> >The title is "Revolte des Stimmviehs", i.e., "revolt of the gullible
> >voters". The article claims that the ICANN establishment isn't
> >happy with the candidates leading the current primaries.
> >In particular, it points to ComputerWire story titled "Hackers
> >Hijacking Icann Elections?", which raises concerns that groups with
> >particular interests are hijacking the ICANN election procedure.
> >Esther Dyson is quoted as being afraid of "objectively stupid"
> >candidates being elected into the board of directors. "Objectively
> >stupid" is interpreted to mean "having the wrong opinions".
> >According to Spiegel Online, having "opposition" within the board of
> >directors is a worst-case scenario for the current ICANN
> >establishment. Andy, Jeannette, and Lutz are considered to be
> >possible "oppositionals" in the board of directors.
> >The establishment's judgement of the election process and the
> >results is interpreted as "vox populi, vox Rindvieh", i.e., the
> >voice of the people is the voice of the stupid.
> >I sincerely hope that Frank Patalong is wrong with this
> >interpretation.
> ></quote>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >At 20:03 08/09/00, you wrote:
> >>Thanks for your note. I do not know exactly which "supposed depreciating
> >>judgments on European candidates and voters" you are referring to, and I
> >>would appreciate seeing them. (Are you referring to me personally, or to
> >>ICANN in general?)
> >>
> >>Esther
> >>
> >>At 04:19 PM 9/8/00 +0200, Jefsey Morfin wrote:
> >> >Madam,
> >> >I am the owner of the icann-fra@egroups.com mailing list gathering
> all the
> >> >French candidates and relating with the French voters and press,
> mostly in
> >> >French. I am also a candidate.
> >> >
> >> >I whished to let you know that this list is at your full disposal should
> >> >you want to address the French candidates, voters and newsmen further to
> >> >the different non confirmed press reports concerning your supposed
> >> >depreciating judgments on European candidates and voters. I suppose you
> >> >have already issued a press release on the matter. A copy of that text
> >> >would certainly help while the last endorsements are granted today
> and the
> >> >ballot period is to take off.
> >> >
> >> >FYI this mail has not been relased yet on the mailing list so you may
> >> >respond privately to me if you so desire, or directly to the list.
> >> >Sincerely yours,
> >> >Jefsey Morfin
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>Esther Dyson Always make new mistakes!
> >>chairman, EDventure Holdings
> >>chairman, Internet Corp. for Assigned Names & Numbers
> >>edyson@edventure.com
> >>1 (212) 924-8800 -- 1 (212) 924-0240 fax
> >>104 Fifth Avenue (between 15th and 16th Streets; 20th floor)
> >>New York, NY 10011 USA
> >>http://www.edventure.com http://www.icann.org
> >>
> >>PC Forum: 25 to 28 March 2001, Scottsdale (Phoenix), Arizona
> >>Book: "Release 2.1: A design for living in the digital age"
> >>High-Tech Forum in Europe: November 1 to 3 - Barcelona
> ><html>
> >Madam,<br>
> >I thank you for your prompt response. Here is the post passed on<br>
> >the icann-europe mailing list. There were additionnal comments<br>
> >on further posts:<br>
> >- that ComputerWire is a paying service so no one could check<br>
> >- that there were no quotation marks in the text. <br>
> ><br>
> >I suggested the German candidates could send a mail to you for <br>
> >comments. I reported my mail on the French list. Two French <br>
> >journalists called me for comments today.<br>
> ><br>
> >I note that the icann-europe ML Mr. McLaughlin uses to be on<br>
> >is a well behaved ML where most of the European candidates<br>
> >participates (NomCom and @large alike). <br>
> ><br>
> >Sincerely yours.<br>
> >Jefsey Morfin<br>
> ><br>
> ><quote> <br>
> >Under
> ><<a href="http://www.spiegel.de/druckversion/0,1588,92003,00.html"
>eudora="autourl"><font
>color="#0000FF"><u>http://www.spiegel.de/druckversion/0,1588,92003,00.html</
>a></u></font>>,<br>
> >Spiegel Online runs another, rather polemic, article on the ICANN <br>
> >primaries. I'm giving a rough summary.<br>
> >The title is "Revolte des Stimmviehs", i.e., "revolt of
> >the gullible <br>
> >voters". The article claims that the ICANN establishment isn't
> ><br>
> >happy with the candidates leading the current primaries.<br>
> >In particular, it points to ComputerWire story titled "Hackers
> ><br>
> >Hijacking Icann Elections?", which raises concerns that groups with
> ><br>
> >particular interests are hijacking the ICANN election procedure.<br>
> >Esther Dyson is quoted as being afraid of "objectively stupid"
> ><br>
> >candidates being elected into the board of directors. "Objectively
> ><br>
> >stupid" is interpreted to mean "having the wrong
> >opinions". <br>
> >According to Spiegel Online, having "opposition" within the
> >board of <br>
> >directors is a worst-case scenario for the current ICANN <br>
> >establishment. Andy, Jeannette, and Lutz are considered to be <br>
> >possible "oppositionals" in the board of directors.<br>
> >The establishment's judgement of the election process and the <br>
> >results is interpreted as "vox populi, vox Rindvieh", i.e., the
> ><br>
> >voice of the people is the voice of the stupid.<br>
> >I sincerely hope that Frank Patalong is wrong with this <br>
> >interpretation.<br>
> ></quote><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >At 20:03 08/09/00, you wrote:<br>
> ><blockquote type=cite cite>Thanks for your note. I do not know
> >exactly which "supposed depreciating<br>
> >judgments on European candidates and voters" you are referring to,
> >and I<br>
> >would appreciate seeing them. (Are you referring to me personally,
> >or to<br>
> >ICANN in general?)<br>
> ><br>
> >Esther<br>
> ><br>
> >At 04:19 PM 9/8/00 +0200, Jefsey Morfin wrote:<br>
> >>Madam,<br>
> >>I am the owner of the icann-fra@egroups.com mailing list gathering
> >all the <br>
> >>French candidates and relating with the French voters and press,
> >mostly in <br>
> >>French. I am also a candidate.<br>
> >><br>
> >>I whished to let you know that this list is at your full disposal
> >should <br>
> >>you want to address the French candidates, voters and newsmen further
> >to <br>
> >>the different non confirmed press reports concerning your supposed
> ><br>
> >>depreciating judgments on European candidates and voters. I suppose
> >you <br>
> >>have already issued a press release on the matter. A copy of that
> >text <br>
> >>would certainly help while the last endorsements are granted today
> >and the <br>
> >>ballot period is to take off.<br>
> >><br>
> >>FYI this mail has not been relased yet on the mailing list so you may
> ><br>
> >>respond privately to me if you so desire, or directly to the
> >list.<br>
> >>Sincerely yours,<br>
> >>Jefsey Morfin<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >Esther
> >Dyson<x-tab> </x-tab><x-tab>
> </x-tab><x-tab> &
>nbsp; </x-tab>Always
> >make new mistakes!<br>
> >chairman, EDventure Holdings<br>
> >chairman, Internet Corp. for Assigned Names & Numbers<br>
> >edyson@edventure.com<br>
> >1 (212) 924-8800 -- 1 (212) 924-0240 fax<br>
> >104 Fifth Avenue (between 15th and 16th Streets; 20th floor)<br>
> >New York, NY 10011 USA<br>
> ><a href="http://www.edventure.com /"
>eudora="autourl">http://www.edventure.com  
>;
> ></a>
> ><a href="http://www.icann.org/"
> eudora="autourl">http://www.icann.org</a><br>
> ><br>
> >PC Forum: 25 to 28 March 2001, Scottsdale (Phoenix), Arizona <br>
> >Book: "Release 2.1: A design for living in the digital
> >age" <br>
> >High-Tech Forum in Europe: November 1 to 3 -
> >Barcelona</blockquote></html>
> >
>
>
>Esther Dyson Always make new mistakes!
>chairman, EDventure Holdings
>chairman, Internet Corp. for Assigned Names & Numbers
>edyson@edventure.com
>1 (212) 924-8800 -- 1 (212) 924-0240 fax
>104 Fifth Avenue (between 15th and 16th Streets; 20th floor)
>New York, NY 10011 USA
>http://www.edventure.com http://www.icann.org
>
>PC Forum: 25 to 28 March 2001, Scottsdale (Phoenix), Arizona
>Book: "Release 2.1: A design for living in the digital age"
>High-Tech Forum in Europe: November 1 to 3 - Barcelona