Re: [ICANN-EU] ICANN Q&A Forum

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Griffini and all,

Griffini Giorgio wrote:

> Jeff Williams wrote:
> > Alf and all,
> >
> >   Translation.  Alf doesn't know what Jim is asking as he does not
> > have a clue from a technical standpoint.  I wonder how others
> > will judge his worthiness as a candidate given this now known
> > fact....
> >
>
> I'm not here to defend Alf Hansen but if you talk about the supposed 'non-
> answering' to question (1) of Jim Fleming I'm not sure this is a real concern.
> Or better, it is a concern that also applies to IPv4 but no one raised this fact
> to such a level of concern.

 I must differ with you that this concern was raised with IPv4 and corrected.
It can also be corrected with IPv6 as well.  As a participating member
of the discussion and WG on IPv6 for some time now, I can attest to this.
The IPv6 e-mail list archives document this clearly some months back...
Please review thoroughly...

>
> The use of hardware ID (MAC address) is a technical need to reach the end-
> point and it is currently used in DHCP, ARP/RARP and any other protocols
> (in IPv4 too) who need to identify and separate any single corresponding
> interface. The privacy issue _may_ be a concern but it is limited to more
> limited domain of end-points (the LAN segment usually) because it is usually
> an additional burden to reflect the true hardware ID in each routing device.

  This is only part of the problem.  Please again review the relevant
FACTS on the IPv6 archives...

>
> That is, the true hardware ID will not usually survive two hops and may be
> also fake in itself if the end point is a kind of 'dialup' access.

  Agreed this can be done, but would be against standard...

>
> Anyway, I see difficulties in reaching a unique end-point without resorting to
> an identifier which 'uniquely' allows to distinguish among many others.
> Whatever name you give to such identifier it still will be unique and will not
> allow for so called 'privacy'.

  Not true...

>
> We may discuss many alternative ways to solve such technical problem
> here but I think it is almost not a so appropriate place if we want this issue
> solved. Isn't it ?

  Agreed.  But none the less the question to which Jim posed was avoided
in a manner that was politically correct but also a obvious avoidance due
to lack of clue on Alf's part.  That is unfortunate and frankly, not a good
sign for a candidate.  So therefore it needed to be pointed out, which I
did....  Hence, we seem to have candidates that are not really qualified
for the positions to which they aspire to have, and that would be very
bad for the stability of the internet, wouldn't it?  >;)

  Thank you for your attempt to do some damage control for Alf,
however this attempt, although laudable, was poorly done...
Maybe next time...????

>
>
> Best regards
> Giorgio Griffini
>
> > Alf Hansen wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I choose not to answer questions like this because I think they are not
> > > particularly useful for this forum. The questions may be important and
> > > interesting to discuss, but not in this context.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > --
> > > Alf Hansen                     Mail address:
> > >                                  UNINETT FAS A/S
> > > aha@uninett.no                   N-7465 Trondheim, Norway
> > > Home page:                     Phone: +47 73 55 79 00
> > > http://domen.uninett.no/~alf/  Fax:   +47 73 55 79 01
> > >
> > > JIM FLEMING wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Alf,
> > > >
> > > > Based on material posted on your various web sites
> > > > and your answers here...You seem to be very qualified for the ICANN Board.
> > > > I get worried when I see people with a clue and future being wasted on
> > > > ICANN.
> > > >
> > > > BTW....I do have other questions such as...
> > > >
> > > > 1. Do you support the IPv6 method of placing a person's non-routable
> > > > hardware ID (i.e. MAC address) in the right-most 64 bits of the 128 bit
> > > > field
> > > > as opposed to the IPv8 approach where a routable address is placed in
> > > > the right-most 64 bits avoiding the privacy violation issues and making
> > > > better
> > > > use of those bits as routable information.
> > > >
> > > > 2. Do you support the censorship of global forums such as the IETF,
> > > > by people from Norway and prominent router vendors ?
> > > >
> > > > 3. Do you support the threats of violence against people and their families
> > > > endorsed by leaders of the IETF and other members of the IANA/ICANN cartel ?
> > > >
> > > > Jim Fleming
> > > > http://www.unir.com/images/architech.gif
> > > > http://www.unir.com/images/address.gif
> > > > http://www.unir.com/images/headers.gif
> > > > http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt
> > > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/downloads/sdks/platform/tpipv6/start.asp
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Alf Hansen <aha@uninett.no>
> > > > To: JIM FLEMING <jfleming@anet.com>
> > > > Cc: icann-europe <icann-europe@fitug.de>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 4:36 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [ICANN-EU] ICANN Q&A Forum
> > > >
> >
> > Regards,
> > --
> > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > Spokesman INEGroup (Over 112k members strong!)
> > CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
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> >
> >

Regards,

--
Jeffrey A. Williams
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