Re: [ICANN-EU] IPv6, was: re-chartering this list: draft.

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Christopher and all,

Christoph wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Andy Mueller-Maguhn wrote:
> > Form follows function; but the function of communication
> > is to enable exchange of views. I wish we could agree, that
> > any debate we have here must make sense itself and not
> > be a tool for "I am better than you am cause I know more"
> > games.
>
> Agreed.

  ALso agreed.  A caveat though is that good candidates have both the
political savvy and the in depth technical knowledge.  Few would be able

to meet both of these requirements on close inspection (questioning)....

>
>
> > >The problems we face now with the DNS system are nearly 100%
> > >externally caused (mostly by a mix of bad court decisions
> > >and legal theories and bad administrative practice), and
> > >we can create new TLDs until we are blue in the face, these
> > >problems won't go away.
> >
> > Objection. I agree about the reasons for the current problems,
> > but not, that new TLDīs couldnīt solve any problems. I could
> > imagine that new TLDīs take place under there own rules,
> > policies and legal theories. So, next to the (not so new) idea
> > of a TLD ".TM" for the trademark-owners,
>
> But that is exactly the point: the current fashionable legal
> theories decree that trademark laws apply to _every_ domain
> in existance.

  Yes this is how the TM lobby groups (Well funded BTW) would
have all of us believe...  But of course it is not so...

> So .TM (let's ignore the turkmenistan issue for
> now) would not solve anything. Even TLDs like .priv or .nom
> would get immediately under the reign of trademark courts and
> the IP industry.
>
> As long as we don't get the courts recognizing the differences
> between domains and trademarks, there will be no solution to that.

  Completely agreed!  DN's and TM's are not necessarily related.

>
>
> The usual way to convince courts is to change laws. Politics.

Yes.  The Lanham act in particular...  But that is not likely to happen
soon enough if at all.  So, another solution is warranted if not
demanded.

>
> Now here the TM lobby comes into play - in our times laws are
> as much bought as voted-vor (if not even more so).

  Yep.

>
>
> And one of the paths of political influence of the TM lobby
> is WIPO. But, instead of them beeing faced as an opponent
> organizations of ICANN, WIPO is deeply involved in ICANN itself.

  Yes, and terrible thing this is to the growth of the internet in
general.

>
>
> Which gets us to: to start solving a number of the problems
> of DNS we have to get WIPO out of ICANN.

  Or vise versa...

>
>
> No _that's_ a worthy opponent :-)
>
> >i could imagine ".GPL" for everything under gnu public-license.
>
> - daimler-benz.gnu would immediately get sued
> - ICANN has made very clear that nonprofits like that will not be
>   accepted; as evidenced by the US $50.000 appliance fee.
>
> > We could even
> > expand these to cultural and religious spaces, like ".ISLAM"
> > (btw, they have no copyright & patent-laws ;), ".catholic"
> > for everything under Catholic policy and so on.
>
> Oh my God.
>
> What did you smoke (and can I get some of that ? :-)
> Does soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya ring any bell ?
>
> Hint: this group does not exist. That is the result of one of the
> most bitter and hostile flamewars in Usenet history; Unfortunately
> islamic 'religious tolerance' does not extend to anything they
> consider heretic. So the islamic netizens prevented by any means
> an ahmadi newsgroup under .islam, while the ahmadi folks insisted
> they considered themselves islamic and could therefore not be
> categorized outside of .islam.
>
> This is a very real conflict. People get killed or put in jail
> for a long time in these countries for stuff like that.
>
> If there ever was a can of worms, .islam is it.
> (A .catholic TLD is a bad idea as well, for other reasons,
> though not _that_ bad)
>
> > Planet earth is big and I donīt see any reason for putting
> > american policies and/or centralised ICANN decisions on the
> > whole cultural and economic space internet.
>
> Sorry. WIPO is as big as earth is. WIPO influence is worldwide.
>
> > So, for it might be quiete difficult, to break up the rules
> > on the current TLD`s, it might be a good way to create some
> > new ones under those policies and so show up alternatives.
>
> I is useless changing these technical rules without changing
> the political realities.
>
> Regards
>
> Christoph Weber-Fahr

Regards,

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