Re: [ICANN-EU] Re: .EU

[Michel Baujard <mbaujard@3f.fr>]

I Think that a lot of companies whith .com names will ask the same names on the
new TLD .eu
Protection first ! And during a long time the marketing teams will always use
only the .com and anything else, because the .eu will not be accepted in the
public.
We had that in France a few years ago with the commercial access to Minitel
services. There were the access number 3615 only and some organizations asked to
open a new commercial access 3616 because, the 3615 was not clear for an
enterprise's message. There were too much services on the 3615, and especially
sex services and chat rooms, and I don't know whatelse.
So, the new access 3616 was created, only for the enterprises (like the .eu
tomorrow).
And, what happened ?
All the enterprises who had a commercial name on the 3615 access baught the same
on the 3616, and, because nobody in the public knew what was this new access, all
the enterprises did their communications and advertisements like before, with the
3615. And  during some years, the two access were on the same ad : call to
3615-3616 AIR FRANCE.
Bis repetita with the .eu ?


NB : There were also another real reason for the creation of the 3616 commercial
access for Minitel services in France. In fact, frequently, in the enterprises or
administrations, it was impossible to call to the 3615 services because this
number was closed on the Pabx. The 3616 was open.
But, only a few codes came on the 3616 and the public knows 3615 only..

Best regards.
MB



Marc Schneiders a écrit :

> Roberto,
>
> Thanks for replying!
>
> On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Roberto Gaetano wrote:
> [And I wrote:]
> > >1. Why we need a .eu? What is wrong with eu.int for the European
> > >Commission and its institutions?
> >
> > The idea is not to use it for the Commission (at least not *only* for the
> > Commission + official use), but to create a "common space" for European
> > business.
>
> I cannot see, that this is useful. Bussinesses are either local/national
> and will not need a .eu name then, or global, and in that case better use
> a .com if they are going to compete. What companies only target the
> European market?? Or, though you don't mention them, what organizations? I
> think .eu will mainly mean duplication of existing names and some names
> for a few lucky people, who were too late for their name in .com or their
> country ccTLD.
>
> > You can see it as a political move to go another step forward towards
> > building a more united Europe. In this sense, the remark that in latin
> > languages "EU" could be read as "Etats Unis" can come up handy: "Etats Unis
> > d'Europe" being the full name ;>).
>
> OK, it is a flag. Fine with me. Not useless, a flag, but rather limited in
> use.
>
> > Personally, I think that the Commission is right in trying to create a
> > common space for european business, and I also believe that to go for a
> > ccTLD instead of a gTLD was the right choice. I have argued for it for
> > months, and I am personally happy to see that ICANN has taken a decision
> > that corresponds to my hope (see my post to the public forum on new TLDs,
> > question 55:
> > http://www.icann.org/cgi-bin/mbx/rpgmessage.cgi?newtlds;3968A0B80000048B).
>
> In which you say only that there should be no conflict with ISO-3166... I
> can see that point :-)
>
> > >2. How it can be a ccTLD?
> >
> > Because ISO/MA has put it in the 3166 reserved lists, and has stated that
> > they have no objection to its use as ccTLD. ICANN has then resolved that
> > this is sufficient to delegate the ccTLD.
>
> Sure, some rules are followed alright. Still it feels like,
> ... wrong. There is no territory, no people, ...
>
> > >3. Can other organizations of countries also apply for a ccTLD? Say OPEC?
> >
> > If they manage to get a code in the ISO3166 list, or at least in the
> > reserved list, with additional statement from ISO that they do not oppose
> > the use thereof as ccTLD, yes.
> > Personally, I doubt it will happen, but they may try. What about "Give us
> > the ccTLD, or we raise the prices" ;>)
>
> Since TLDs can be very profitable, this is not only a matter of
> principles. Or am I too suspicious?
>
> Thanks again for clarifying!
>
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