Re: [ICANN-EU] Re: Installing the New Charter.

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Patrick and all,

  I am the one that keeps asking.  >;)  And I say you are right.
Rough consensus cannot be reasonable quantified.  As such it is a
poor method of determining anything of real importance.

patrick.mayer@gmx.de wrote:

> Somebody keeps on asking for a definition on "rough consensus". The point
> is, that rough consensus cannot be quantified or otherwise defined. That's
> why it is called "rough": it is not exactly consensus, but just some kind of
> agreement to go ahead in a certain direction. In fact, "rough consensus" is
> an objection in itself; you either have consensus or not, but there is
> logically no such thing as "rough" consensus (or "a little pregnant").
>
> Anyway, "rough consensus" is not only a motto (IETF) but a working
> hypothesis on how to proceed in difficult technical (and other) matters, if I see
> it right. But it cannot be defined.
>
> It's core is that enough nodes in a neural net work towards the same
> direction/goal to keep the whole moving. That means, if enough ISPs accept a new
> standard by way of "rough consensus" and implement the thereby developed
> "running code", the application based hereon will work on the Internet. If just
> a few do, the "rough consensus" is too weak and the application doesn't
> work (like name.space).
>
> For icann-europe that means you cannot have anybody to decide on wether
> the consensus is there or wether there is at least rough consensus. The
> Director must decide at her/his discretion, and that's it. If she/he is wrong,
> ICANN won't work in the medium to long run.
>
> Not more, not less.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Patrick Mayer
>
> > > Jeff asks for a formal definition of consensus.
>
> >   No I ask for a definition of "Rough Consensus".  I also ask
> > for a determination as to how "Rough Consensus" is reached or
> > decided/determined.  What method, in other words?
>
> [...]
>
> > > -  rough consensus is when there are objections, but no veto. When
> > >     there is a rough consensus it is possible to keep working toward a
> > >     consensus.
> >
> >   Ok good.  But how it "Rough Consensus" determined?  What method?
>
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> Rechtsanwalt Dr. Patrick Mayer   patrick.mayer@gmx.de
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Regards,

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