Re: [ICANN-EU] Re: Cheney/Halliburton and Bechtel Corp.

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Jim and all,

  After reading Rodneys response on the Nanog list, I think he is
protesting to much.  Makes one at least wonder...

JIM FLEMING wrote:

> RE: GTE to acquire Genuity
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> To: nanog@merit.edu
> Subject: RE: GTE to acquire Genuity
> From: Rodney Joffe <rjoffe@genuity.net>
> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:08:13 -0700
> Sender: owner-nanog@merit.edu
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> Gordon,
>
> I have to admit that you're right. You really do have all the answers,
> and you really do know it all.
>
> I guess the fact that there are only two shareholders in Genuity, me and
> Bechtel, both of whom know exactly what Jon could and couldn't do, and
> who accepted his conditions when he joined the board, is unimportant.
> And the fact that Jon knew this, and understood that his fiduciary
> responsibility in this area was subject *only* to the shareholders, both
> of whom assured him in terms that he was prepared to accept that they
> would *not* expect him to or ask him to _abuse_ his position  of trust
> outside of Genuity to assist Genuity unfairly, is irrelevant.
>
> Gordon, I have never been able to quite fathom out why you chose this
> industry to attempt to make a living, and not the same industry as the
> National Enquirer. I think you've missed your calling. I only hope your
> clients realise the true value of your reporting.
>
> So that others are privy to the same information that I gave you, let me
> be specific ( and remember, I don't owe ANYONE an explanation, but I
> want to undo the damage that your buffoonery has caused);
>
> Bechtel never really had to make a choice about whether Jon joined the
> board or an advisory board. I nominated him to the board as one of *my*
> representatives. They didn't know Jon from a hitchiker before this. I
> wanted someone clueful to help me guide Genuity along a *good* path, and
> away from the dark side (obviously I passed on asking you). I think I
> can proudly say that Genuity has been an exemplary internet citizen (I,
> of course, may not have been).
>
> So when you attempt to to wind people up with your paranoia, you do
> someone who has done a lot of good for the Internet over *many* years a
> grave injustice. Fortunately I care more about what honest, good people
> like Jerry Scharf says, than I do about what you say. If I didn't, I'd
> probably spend some real energy telling you what I really think.
>
> Does anyone know if Paul's RBL works on a single netaxs address?
>
> Rodney Joffe
> Chief Technology Officer
> Genuity Inc., a Bechtel company
> http://www.genuity.net
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gordon Cook [SMTP:cook@netaxs.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 1997 11:38 PM
> > To: Jerry Scharf
> > Cc: nanog@merit.edu
> > Subject: Re: GTE to acquire Genuity
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 13 Nov 1997, Jerry Scharf wrote:
> >
> > > Gordon,
> > >
> > > you have the way of spinning the longest line of crappy conjectures
> > into a
> > > proposal of irresponsibility.
> >
> > false:   you should read what i wrote more carefully before you fly
> > publicly off t he handle.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm sure you could spin an equally long chain of
> > > things into a reason why no one from the IAB or IETF ADs should have
> > anything
> > > at stake with the industry they help direct.
> >
> >
> > So IANA has no special powers?
> >
> >
> >
> > For this particular case, there
> > > are facts to prove your conjecture flawed.
> > >
> >  wrong because you misread my conjecture.
> >
> >
> > > I was consulting at Genuity when then needed to do their initial IP
> > address
> > > gathering for their new network. They sent in a proposal to Kim, and
> > Kim told
> > > them no. Rodney was very upset at the time, but there was never any
> > > interference by the IANA. When Genuity provided better documentation
> > and
> > > cleaned up some things, then they got address blocks like anyone
> > else.
> > >
> >
> > May I quote what you over looked:  Now I am confident that he has not
> > used
> > his position to give special benefit to  genuity.
> >
> > and later in the same post:  Rodney Joffe explained to me in very
> > glowing
> > terms this summer why jon
> > was on the 'board"  his explanation sounded fine.
> >
> > Further explanation - Rodney Joffe told me precisely the same story
> > which
> > i published verbatim.....and more besides.....  jon came out pure as
> > the
> > driven snow
> >
> >
> > > At least judge Jon by his actions, not by your inferred doubt. The
> > evidence is
> > > that when put in the exact situation you feared, the IANA acted by
> > not acting.
> > > Genuity was not harmed financially by this (I think even Rodney will
> > now admit
> > > that) so there is no damage to be fretted about. Certainly there
> > will be a
> > > tidy profit to Bechtel and the other founders of Genuity.
> > >
> >
> > I never suggested genuity was harmed.   I do state that one of the
> > senior members of the community who knows the laws of the fiduciary
> > legal
> > responsibility of members of boards of directors far better than I
> > pointed out that he believed it possible that a genuity stock holder
> > who was aware of jons proper from the internet point of view, could
> > have
> > taken legal action against jon for NOT making a decision that
> > benefitted
> > genuity and using his powers to act for the fiduciary benefit of the
> > company of which he was a director and for which he had such a legal
> > responsibility.
> >
> > now I am a r ussian history Phd....read trained as an academic....as
> > is
> > jon.....and most academics aren't terribly aware of these
> > nuances.....so I
> > can understand jon's accepting the directorship.
> >
> > guess my bitch is why would the presumably legally savvy business
> > staff
> > of genuity/bechtel have put jon however unwittingly into such a
> > position?.
> >
> > I have been told be those who are also my seniors, that Jon is and
> > "icon"
> > and when one critcizes him one can expect all hell to break
> > loose....looks
> > like my seniors were right.....but it also looks like I owe him no
> > apology.
> >
> > and before you continue your flame I hope you will look more carefully
> > at
> > what I am saying.
> >
> > > I believe you owe Jon a personal apology for this.
> > >
> > > jerry
> > >
> > >
> > ======================
> > read my original post more carefully this time.
> >
> > Last time i looked Jon postel was still on genuity's board.  It is my
> > understanding that this gives him a LEGAL responsibility  to act in
> > the
> > best financial interests of genuity.  Seems to me this creates a
> > conflict
> > of interest given what with his powers as IANA he could do to benefit
> > genuity with IP allocations etc.  Now I am confident that he has not
> > used
> > his position to give special benefit to  genuity.  but I am also told
> > that
> > he could be regarded as culpable for not having helped them out when
> > it
> > could be argued he had the power to do so.  This is a distinction that
> > I
> > was slow to grasp and one that jon with a research rather than a
> > business
> > background might also be slow to grasp.
> >
> > Rodney Joffe explained to me in very glowing terms this summer why jon
> > was on the 'board"  his explanation sounded fine.  Point is Jon could
> > have
> > had the same impact as a special advisor to the board.  one wonders
> > why
> > genuity bechtel attornies that could be expected to be aware of these
> > issues went with the board choice anyway.
> >
> > does jons board position disappear when genuity is fully acquired?   i
> > would hope so.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Sondow <msondow@ICIIU.ORG>
> To: <DOMAIN-POLICY@LISTS.NETSOL.COM>
> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 11:02 AM
> Subject: Cheney/Halliburton and Bechtel Corp.
>
> > Jessica and all-
> >
> > If you think the Cheney/Halliburton connection stinks, check out the
> > history and Board of Directors of Bechtel Corporation, the largest
> > US government construction contractor, and the world's largest
> > builder of nuclear power stations.
> >
> > Examples:
> > - George Shultz, former President of Bechtel, afterwards US
> > Secretary of State, then CEO of Bechtel;
> > - Caspar Weinberger (convicted Watergate conspirator), chief counsel
> > to Bechtel, then US Secretary of Defence;
> > - John McCone, a founder of Bechtel-McCone, then Bechtel partner,
> > then Chairman of the US Atomic Energy Commission, subsequently
> > Director of the CIA, and director of ITT at the time of the military
> > coup in Chile.
> >
> > M.S.
> >

Regards,

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