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[atlarge-announce] FW: Re(2): [atlarge-discuss] Re: [atlarge-candidates] for information
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From: Candidates-admin@execlub.org [mailto:Candidates-admin@execlub.org]
On Behalf Of Jonathan Robin
Sent: 25 May 2003 02:50
To: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
Cc: sotiris@hermesnetwork.com; atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de;
candidates@execlub.org
Subject: Re(2): [atlarge-discuss] Re: [atlarge-candidates] for
information
Good Morning,
please accept my withdrawal as a candidate for this election
Best regards Jonathan
atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de,Internet a écrit:
>Sotiris and all fellow members,
>
>Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:
>
>> I DO NOT TRUST JEFSEY, BRUCE, AND ERIC TO RUN A FAIR ELECTION!!!!
>
> Ditto here! And this is in part why I will not participate and
> refused
>
>nomination as one of many of Jefsey's "Nominations" of other folks that
>have yet to participate in discussions until Jefsey, Eric, and Bruce
>
>started this whole fiasco.
>
>>
>>
>> 1) I DON'T UNDERSTAND MOST OF WHAT JEFSEY WRITES TO THESE LISTS, AND
>> HIS HANDLING OF THIS "ELECTION" HAS BEEN UNETHICAL, HAPHAZARD, AND
>> DOWNRIGHT CONVOLUTED TO DATE... WHO CAN STAND BY THE RESULTS WITH ANY
>> CONFIDENCE?
>
> No one can or willing the end. It is just another of Jefsey's ideas
>that has gone far off course.
>
>>
>>
>> 2) BRUCE IS ON AGAIN OFF AGAIN (MORE OFF THAN ON!)AND HAS SAID
>> NOTHING ABOUT THE TROUBLING IRREGULARITIES OF THIS "ELECTION".
>
> What can he really say. He is in pretty deep in this scam.
>
>>
>>
>> 3) I CERTAINLY DON'T TRUST ERIC DIERKER FOR REASONS THAT I SHARED
>> WITH MANY OF YOU BACK ON THE GA LIST NOT SO LONG AGO...
>
> Well I did trust him until this fiasco/fraud of an election started
>and also when he so readily excepted that he was instantly a "Panel"
>member by default after we decided that there was no "Panel" and so
>many had resigned from the original "Panel". That nixed it with me on
>Eric.
>
>>
>>
>> 4.) I DON'T KNOW WHO THE WATCHDOGS ARE AT THIS POINT! OR IF THERE
>> ARE ANY LEFT!!
>
> THere are no "Official" Watchdogs as none have been elected or even
>agreed upon by the members in any fashion.
>
>>
>>
>> LET ME REPEAT: I DO NOT TRUST THE THREE OF THEM TO RUN A FAIR
>> ELECTION.
>
> Understood and I also agree!
>
>>
>>
>> --Sotiris Sotiropoulos
>>
>> J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin wrote:
>>
>> > for your information:
>> >
>> > 1. the site has been updated to reflect the current situation
>> > - the voting page now includes the solgan and urls of
>> the candidates
>> > - the election page has been updated - hopefully in a
>> way that
>> > even Joop will accept.
>> >
>> > 2. I am expecting the edited list of questions from reviewers
>> > I hoped I could close shop in one hour ... so I leave
>> no to
>> > preserve the peace of my family.
>> > I will come back later on. I hope I will receive the
>> missing
>> > slogan by that time.
>> >
>> > Let me repeat the way the vote will happen.
>> >
>> > 1. I will send all the VID with emails to the Polling Committee
>> Members.
>> > They have the current ID but there is 2 letters in
>> additions
>> > (necessary after JW leaked his VID)
>> > 2. I will send all the VID without emails to the Watchdogs > 3. I
>> will zip that file under password and put on the site where every
>> > can copy it.
>> > 4. I will send the ballot to the members. This being a
>> private mail of
>> > around 12K will take several hours and may break. I will
>> do it again
>> > before the end of the week for the Members who did not vote.
>> > 5. when the votes are returned they will be anonymized by
>> Mailman and
>> > sent in copy to every Polling Committee Members and Watchdog.
>> > 6. many ballot will however be returned as faulty.
>> Because the address
>> > does not exist anymore or because the ballot is larger
>> than 10K. In
>> > the first case I will remove the Member from the list and
>> will publish
>> > it. In second case I will run a second sending by
>> mid-week with two
>> > mails.
>> > 7. at the end of the vote I will reread all the voting
>> lines in one
>> > single file and will copy that file on the site. I will
>> also add in he
>> > voting line the number of the received ballot;
>> > 8. I will release the VID zipped file password.
>> > 9. I will filter the file (any can do that too)
>> > The Watchdogs will be in a position to say if voting
>> lines are
>> > missing. Everyone will be in a position to discard the
>> fake voting
>> > lines. What will count will be the first completed ballot
>> (ie with one
>> > single vote). The first received ballot will be an empty
>> ballot in the
>> > case the ballot is returned. This way everyone will know
>> if a ballot
>> > has been returned or duplicated.
>> > 10. The raw result to each question will be obtained in
>> extracting the
>> > questions.
>> > 11. they will then have to be inspected for "blurs" in
>> the vote. Only
>> > "Y" will be considered as a vote.
>> > 12. this will make the results. I suspect that there will
>> be a lot of
>> > Florida like disputes which will keep some animation on
>> the list.
>> >
>> > Take care.
>> > jfc
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>>
>> --
>> -----------
>>
>> "The science of jurisprudence regards the state and power as the
>> ancients regarded fire- namely, as something existing absolutely.
>> But for history, the state and power are merely phenomena,
>> just as for
>> modern physics fire is not an element but a phenomenon.
>>
>> >From this fundamental difference between the view held by history
>> and that held by jurisprudence, it follows that
>> jurisprudence can tell
>> minutely how in its opinion power should be constituted and what
>> power- existing immutably outside time- is, but to history's
>> questions
>> about the meaning of the mutations of power in time it can
>> answer
>> nothing."
>> --Leo Tolstoy, "War and Peace"
>>
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>
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