Re: [atlarge-discuss] bucharest meeting

[eric@hi-tek.com]

Ron,

I have always been a strong advocate of face to face meetings.  I am in
fact on
the road
half of my life to accomplish face to face meetings.

But if my company only had enough money to buy a server we needed or to
send me
to
Bucharest I would buy the server.  As it is they only have enough to
send me to
eight destinations
in Asia, and I only have enough time to be one place at a time.

Now with that said if attending a meeting rather than buying a server
would
result in enough
income to buy ten servers I would go to Bucharest.  I am simply trying
to make
the priorities
clear.  If someone like, oh say Joop asked you for money to attend
wouldn't you
want a
specific agenda and an objective - not schmoozing.  If the org was set
up to
take money I would rather
give him the same money to run elections and the site for two months. 
If I were
Jamie I would spend
the money to hire a hot new young lawyer and draft the best voting
rules,
by-laws and articles and open
an account.

The next point I want to be real clear on is mandate and personal
agendas and
mission creep.
We have not elected any "representatives".  The panel has not elected
any
representatives.
Anyone attending Bucharest and indicating a right to represent this
group would
be lying.

Sorry Ron but given the history of attempted and experimental "internet
governance"
it requires that these lines not be blurred or there is no reason for an
at-large.
A great example is Karl's integrity in not claiming to represent ICANN. 
A good
example in the
negative is Sims seamless floating about that he does.

This may seem not very nice but clearly the devil is in the details.

Eric

Ron Sherwood wrote:

> Dear fellow at-largers:
>
>     The recent postings chastising the panel members who are trying to set
> up a couple of face to face meetings in Bucharest are, in my opinion, very
> negative about what could be a very positive experience.
>
>     I have not seen any one of the Interim Panelists pretending to represent
> the at-large group, although even a token representation of the
> about-to-be-formed organization would be better than pretending that we do
> not exist at all. And who better to do that than members of the panel
> democratically elected to create and legitimize our mandate and electoral
> process.  Surely there is enormous benefit to be gained from meeting ones
> colleagues face-to-face.  It is by far the major benefit of any conference.
>
>     I would very much like to be able to meet the people that contribute to
> this discuss list and who are working to bring our organization into being.
> Unfortunately, I am not able to attend this conference, but I do not hold
> that against those who do spend the time and money that it takes to make the
> trip, and who will report back to the rest of us. And I certainly would not
> disparage them as "high rollers".
>
>     I encourage any member of our fledgling organization to attend Bucharest
> if you can.  If it is not possible, then please thank those of us who do
> make the trip and wish them well in their endeavors to learn of the forces
> we face and to keep us informed.
>
> Ron Sherwood
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> To: <eric@hi-tek.com>
> Cc: "James Love" <james.love@cptech.org>; <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 3:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] bucharest meeting
>
> > Eric and all stakeholders or interested parties,
> >
> >   I think it is now too late for ICANNATLARGE.COM to be prepaired
> > for Bucharest.  Too much time has been wasted away.. :(
> >
> > eric@hi-tek.com wrote:
> >
> > > Somebody clue me in as to why are we scheduling anything in connection
> with an
> > > ICANN meeting at this point.  We have no consensus on position, we have
> no
> > > elected advocates and we have no agenda.
> > >
> > > I would suggest all you high rollers who want to attend spend your money
> on
> > > incorporating, setting up a bank account and raising more funds for
> world wide
> > > elections.  The AL is not even a slated matter for voting of the BoD.
> > > I do not recall electing anyone to go be my lobbyist.  We elected an
> > > organizational panel not representatives of our desire.  Wow talk about
> > > exceeding mission. I suggest you guys take a deep breath and look at
> what you
> > > were elected to do and do it and forget about Bucharest, it does not
> concern
> > > you.
> > >
> > > Eric
> > >
> > > James Love wrote:
> > >
> > > > I arrive late tuesday.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Vittorio Bertola" <vb@vitaminic.net>
> > > > To: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 5:43 AM
> > > > Subject: [atlarge-discuss] bucharest meeting
> > > >
> > > > We will possibly have the following slots to meet in a room (which we
> would
> > > > get for free) in Bucharest:
> > > > - Tuesday 5pm (perhaps 4:30) to 6pm - already confirmed
> > > > - Wednesday 5pm-6pm - still to be confirmed
> > > >
> > > > If we get both slots, I'd like to have a public presentation and
> discussion
> > > > about icannatlarge.com on Wednesday, when possibly more people will be
> able
> > > > to attend, and to use Tuesday for a face to face discussion among all
> of us
> > > > who will be there about how to practically proceed - Bylaws, elections
> etc.
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